I read it. Multiple times. I may be a bit rusty on some aspects, but let's break it down.
"I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah." Yes, that's the complicated part. He can't just go to any random VoIP provider and expect his area to be covered. Non-RBOCs are inherently difficult to work with on the voice side, so most VoIP providers have skipped those areas. It's entirely possible they have an exemption from porting. The first indication that this may be a difficult prospect is: https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratecenter=EAGLE%20MTN&state=UT There is no one else in that rate center, so it's proven enough of a difficulty where no one has gotten their own allocation from NANPA. "I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider." Not exactly a requirement, but a good rule of thumb is that if a CLEC is present in a rate center that has local calling to that one, you can port the number. http://localcallingguide.com/lca_exch.php?exch=200852 I don't know much about Utah, but I recognize the town of Provo, so I'm going to guess that someone is located in Provo that would be a local call form Cedar Valley. Unfortunately, TelcoData.Us doesn't have the tandem information for Direct Communication's switch, so we can't look up what other rate centers are off of that tandem to provide further clues as to who may be able to port. I didn't read this as he wants to move the entire NPA-NXX to another provider (which there are people that do hosted switches), but that he wanted to port select numbers to the VoIP provider. "We need unlimited LD and solid 911." Shouldn't be difficult. "Would prefer someone local." There are several CLECs listed in Provo, including the regulars of Onvoy, Bandwidth.com, Level 3, etc. so you should be able to find someone somewhere. Your other Utah-area operators should be able to say who they use for VoIP. Then just look for whichever of them has a gateway in the SLC area. They may be hauling back to Seattle or the bay area, both for TDM and for IP so you may be looking for whomever has the gateway in those markets. "So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there." I've heard of the company, but obviously those in Utah can better speak to their capabilities and reliability. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:36:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely understand. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants covered. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your LATA right? Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am guessing you talked to someone about it today. On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> NetSapiens does equipment, not service. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending on what you want. I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: <blockquote> I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered with a company last week. Rory -----Original Message----- From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service without any overhead. We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com . Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. > > From: Eric Kuhnke > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central >> office switch. >> I will not be using that for this service. >> >> From: Eric Kuhnke >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP.... This is a gross >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will >> register to? >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an >>> ATA in the subscribers home. >>> >>> From: Eric Kuhnke >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we >>> talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider >>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? >>> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of >>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they >>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? >>> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. >>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: >>>> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in >>>> Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>>> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>>> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. >>> >>> >> >> > > </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>
