Happy Birthday... On Jun 1, 2017 6:52 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> I read it. Multiple times. I may be a bit rusty on some aspects, but let's > break it down. > > > "I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah." > Yes, that's the complicated part. He can't just go to any random VoIP > provider and expect his area to be covered. Non-RBOCs are inherently > difficult to work with on the voice side, so most VoIP providers have > skipped those areas. It's entirely possible they have an exemption from > porting. The first indication that this may be a difficult prospect is: > https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by- > ratecenter-state?ratecenter=EAGLE%20MTN&state=UT There is no one else in > that rate center, so it's proven enough of a difficulty where no one has > gotten their own allocation from NANPA. > > "I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider." > Not exactly a requirement, but a good rule of thumb is that if a CLEC is > present in a rate center that has local calling to that one, you can port > the number. http://localcallingguide.com/lca_exch.php?exch=200852 I don't > know much about Utah, but I recognize the town of Provo, so I'm going to > guess that someone is located in Provo that would be a local call form > Cedar Valley. Unfortunately, TelcoData.Us doesn't have the tandem > information for Direct Communication's switch, so we can't look up what > other rate centers are off of that tandem to provide further clues as to > who may be able to port. I didn't read this as he wants to move the entire > NPA-NXX to another provider (which there are people that do hosted > switches), but that he wanted to port select numbers to the VoIP provider. > > "We need unlimited LD and solid 911." > Shouldn't be difficult. > > "Would prefer someone local." > There are several CLECs listed in Provo, including the regulars of Onvoy, > Bandwidth.com, Level 3, etc. so you should be able to find someone > somewhere. Your other Utah-area operators should be able to say who they > use for VoIP. Then just look for whichever of them has a gateway in the SLC > area. They may be hauling back to Seattle or the bay area, both for TDM and > for IP so you may be looking for whomever has the gateway in those markets. > > "So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there." > I've heard of the company, but obviously those in Utah can better speak to > their capabilities and reliability. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:36:05 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers > > Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in > this specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's > you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get > those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. > > You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those > numbers to a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able > to do that, without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they > refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 > which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have > to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center. > > In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to > your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. > That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. > > Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't > just get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, > ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many. > > Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely > understand. > > On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants >> covered. >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >> >> NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There >> is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to >> have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then >> have to reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to >> something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure >> you know. If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are >> the only one in your LATA right? >> >> Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a >> voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I >> am guessing you talked to someone about it today. >> >> On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> NetSapiens does equipment, not service. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>> >>> CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive >>> than some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle >>> 100% of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass >>> your losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue >>> source I would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a >>> pretty good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a >>> better deal depending on what you want. >>> >>> I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to >>> limit the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones >>> and one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, >>>> biggest plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all >>>> cloud based. >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and >>>>> partnered with a company last week. >>>>> >>>>> Rory >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>>> >>>>> Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully >>>>> white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means >>>>> you can't use your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to >>>>> add VOIP service without any overhead. >>>>> >>>>> We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If >>>>> you want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner >>>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>> > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. >>>>> > >>>>> > From: Eric Kuhnke >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM >>>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>>> > >>>>> > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would >>>>> > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP >>>>> > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to >>>>> > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What >>>>> > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central >>>>> >> office switch. >>>>> >> I will not be using that for this service. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> From: Eric Kuhnke >>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM >>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP.... This is a gross >>>>> >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone >>>>> >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to >>>>> >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service >>>>> >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they >>>>> will register to? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to >>>>> an >>>>> >>> ATA in the subscribers home. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> From: Eric Kuhnke >>>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM >>>>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we >>>>> >>> talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking >>>>> provider >>>>> >>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of >>>>> >>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they >>>>> >>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in >>>>> >>>> Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out >>>>> there. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> >
