I'm not making judgements about values. But if you must, I personally believe that women should have the same rights as men, including the right to not have children. But after I die without descendants, my opinion won't matter.
Maybe you can explain the conflict between humanity and transhumanity. It looks to me like transhumanity is winning for the simple reason that the cost of medical care is doubling every 9 years while the cost of technology is halving every 3 years. While animal testing is slowly being banned and human testing is becoming riskier due to cost and liability, we are solving the problem of machine consciousness. It's just token prediction. The Earth receives 90,000 TW of solar energy at the surface, enough to support 45 trillion humans at the current consumption rate of 2 KW each. That is 20 times human metabolism. Global energy production through photosynthesis is only 0.3% of this, but we already have solar cells 100 times more efficient. So I think it is possible to use synthetic foods and technology to lower the cost of child rearing and solve population collapse, without even the need for space travel. But the real problem is that we are programmed by evolution, like all animals, to fear death and die. I don't see either humanism or transhumanism solving this problem. We are solving alignment by modeling 8 billion human brains using a system of mass surveillance. AI knows exactly what we want. And that is a state of maximum utility, where any thought or perception is unpleasant because it would result in a different state. Modeling our minds in silicon can add more states but doesn't solve this problem either, because we live in a finite universe. -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] On Mon, Mar 30, 2026, 1:49 PM James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2026 at 6:17 PM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> So I guess you claim that we >> > > Things are obviously undergoing a bifurcation. > > So, no I'm not making any claims about ya'll (your "we"). I'm making > claims about humanity not transhumanity. Transhumanity is destined for > space (vacuum/weightless/hard solar radiation adapted cyborgs, and baby > biospheres ala O'Neill). I don't consider those who have given up on > humanity, such as yourself, to be eligible for Biosphere I, just as I am > not eligible for transhumanity. > > While it is true that Musk's "truth orientation" is meant to preserve > "humanity", whatever that means to him, it is obviously the case that his > emphasis on neuralink is oriented toward transhumanity. > > All of our conflicts are reducible to the fact that transhuman-identified > and human-identified are not able to take responsibility for their telos > and understand the true nature of the conflict. > > So, take your polemics about baby-makers and shove it until you are able > to take responsibility for your own values. > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + > delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> > Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tc2616dc0a8577813-M4345db1f700119a90aaf3f62> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tc2616dc0a8577813-Mc4a1c09fe756f6c728d73a9a Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
