James, I don't understand your oblique references. Can you please just say directly what you mean without big words? It is really frustrating. I figured out that CHLCA is chimpanzee human last common ancestor. I don't know what Wilson's TSCOE is. I don't think that by WRC you mean the World Rally Championship. What options should we be jumping on?
I guess you are arguing that human civilization needs to go into space to survive, but I really don't know. But if that's the case, I disagree. It is much cheaper to send robots into space. The Earth receives 90 petawatts of solar energy, enough to support 45 trillion people at the current consumption rate of 2 KW. And even that is 20 times our base metabolism. -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] On Mon, Apr 6, 2026, 5:36 PM James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2026 at 2:40 PM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> ... >> Maybe you can explain the conflict between humanity and transhumanity. >> > > It goes back to the CHLCA according to E O Wilson's "The Social Conquest > of Earth" -- and it is more accurately characterizd as a conflict between > transhumanity and the biosphere or, to be more specific, between sexuality > and what one might call "trans-sexuality", which I call sexual perversion. > So sexual perversion of the primate line started with CHLCA in the form of > nascent eusociality. See "Brave New World" if you want an amazingly > prescient fictional portrayal of what I referred to as "y'all > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)>." > > Now don't take the word "perversion" as an insult since some of the most > vital aspects of the biosphere are sexually perverted such as the eusocial > insects which are vital to the biosphere. As Wilson described in TSCOE, > the form transhumanity takes is incredibly dangerous to all life because > humanity is the most extreme "generalist species" yet encountered. > Imaginary such species are of course the infamous "paperclip maximizers", > although a much more benign form would be what O'Neill implied in "asking > the right question" of his most gifted physics students: > > "Is the surface of a planet really the right place for an expanding > technological civilization?" > > That is why I was O'Neill's local support team leader in Miami when Bezos > gave his valedictorian speech -- although Bezos hasn't yet quite gotten the > Earth telos right. Sadly, NASA lied about the $/mass to LEO and did > incredible amounts of damage that I attempted to remediate 10 years later > at untold personal sacrifice only to learn That Unspeakable Thing In DC is > the primary enemy of life due to the WRC trickledown through the > institutions. > > It looks to me like transhumanity is winning for the simple reason that >> the cost of medical care is doubling every 9 years while the cost of >> technology is halving every 3 years. >> > > The conflict isn't about transhumanity losing. Why do you think I was > ahead of ya'll by DECADES in trying to give ya'll options that, were you > sane, you'd have jumped on with all 4s and run with? > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + > delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> > Permalink > > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tc2616dc0a8577813-Md90c28b39dfd65f315ffd6d8> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tc2616dc0a8577813-M17a1afacb61c9065bf2d9613 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
