OK, here I go again; In our Chatwindow, nor in any window of aMSN that needs menus, we'reworking on files. The first menu should be about the "object" you work on in that particular window. In a word-processor/filemanager, you are working on (a) file(s), so this menu is called "File". In a chatwindow, you're "working" on chats. So, imo, following guidelines written by professionals [1], it should be called "Chat". You say "it should be called 'save as ...' but this is up to the translator. Now in Dutch, and I guess you translated this ;), it's "save as a file", which sounds very clear in a "Chat" menu. When you press "close" you are not closing any file. You close a chat!
You say "my action menu is about changing something to the chat". All but the first item in there is about interaction with you contact so I don't see why it's not a bout contact. It's just natural language "Contact -> send nudge" and it's kind of clear you are going to send a nudge to that contact. I'm ok about removing the webcam setup button. Karel. [1] http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/ http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 22:24 +0200, schreef Harry Vennik: > Ok, chatwindow menu's are far from perfect now, so I do support Karel's > proposal to make them better, but I do not like the menu's he proposed > either. Instead of a lengthy mail with all kinds of arguments, I'd like to > make my own proposal how I'd do it. I'll add a few remarks at the end. > > Okay, here is my proposal for the menu's: > > > File Edit View Actions Contact > =============================== > > > ===File=== > Save As... > --- > Send file... > Show received files > --- > Close > > > ===Edit=== > Cut > Copy > Paste > --- > Find... > Find Next > Find Previous > > > ===View=== > Chat style > > Font size > > --- > * Show emoticons > * Show display plicture > > > ===Actions=== > Add a contact to this chat... > --- > Send webcam > Ask to receive webcam > --- > Send a nudge > > > ===Contact=== > Add to my contactlist > Block > --- > Send e-mail > Send SMS > --- > View history > View webcam sessions > --- > View profile > View/edit notes > Properties > > > Remarks: > - Everything where the user has to pick a file, name a file, or will see a > representation of files on disk is in the File menu. > - I used 'Save As...' and not 'Save', because the user will have to name the > file! > - The close option is also in the File menu because every user will look for > it at the bottom of this menu, because it is always there, in every app, so > we won't do that differently. > > - In the Edit menu is only what is there usually: Cut/Copy/Paste and the > commands for searching in the window content. > > - In View there is anything about how things appear. The word 'view' is to be > read as 'Appearance', as explained by Karel. He's right there. (The * before > the last two lines of this menu just means they are on/off switches) > > - The Actions menu contains everything that is about 'doing something that > has > some effect within the chat' > > - The Contact menu contains everything that affects the other user in the > chat > in any way, but is not directly related to the chat itself. I did not include > the 'Set alarm' because it is on the properties window, which is in the menu > already. > > - 'Webcam settings' is not in the menu. Maybe they can go into the CL-menu, > but I think having it accessible from the preferences window is all we need. > > Okay, that is my idea about it. I hope it's helpful. > > Harry > > Op woensdag 3 mei 2006 19:02, schreef Youness Alaoui: > > On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:37:35 -0400, Ismael Asensio > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2006/5/3, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> > I have just one comment. How about moving > > >> > View Chat history > > >> > view Webcam History > > >> > Into the view part? > > >> > > >> A view menu is the menu where the visual appereance of the document > > >> you're working on and the surrounding UI can be changed. It's mostly > > >> mistaken by people with an English UI as "view" also means like "look > > >> at", but this is not the case for all languages. I don't know what it's > > >> in french, but the Dutch word for example can be translated as "screen" > > >> or "image". "view chat history" is an action on a user and thus > > >> belongs to the "contact" menu imo. > > > > > > For Spanish users this distinction will be more difult to understand, > > > as the translation for "View" menu is the verb "Ver" (litteraly "To > > > see"), rather than a name, so that seems to be an action. This is the > > > standard translation in every desktop and programa I can remember, but > > > it seems the Dutch people got right from the begining. > > > > humm, you mean someone made that mistake on MS DOS 1.0 and everyone kept > > doing itwhen translating ? too bad... > > > > > I allways click on "View" to "view history" rather than on "Actions", > > > and I allways wondered why it was on that place. > > > > same happens to me every time... > > > > > -- > > > Si no encuentras tu media naranja, no te desanimes, > > > busca medio limón > > > y pónle azúcar, ron y hielo!!!! > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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