That makes sense thanks. Sent from my iPhone
On 03/03/2012, at 5:21 PM, "Randy Knighton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Well said. I agree. > > -Randy > > On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:45 PM, "J D'Silva" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't think Marko is saying that the IPexpert product isn't enough to >> pass. More what he's saying is that you cannot just take any product and >> blindly work your way through it and expect to pass. It takes a lot more >> in depth studying to really get to know the protocols and fully understand >> exactly how they really work, and be able to determine how they will behave >> in situations you haven't seen before. You have to go further than the >> labs and the videos and actually know the topics. >> >> You have to be the router. >> >> And I think that's partly where Ive gone wrong. I can configure almost >> anything on the blueprint that you put in front of me. With the exception >> of some of the more advanced PfR I'm very comfortable with the topics >> there. However, there was a thread on here the other day about intra VLAN >> multicast that I spoke up on, and was promptly smacked down. It was a >> scenario where if I had really understood IGMP Snooping and how ti worked >> on a switch it would have been painfully clear what exactly was >> happening. After reading through the doc the "the teacher" provided it in >> hindsight seemed obvious that this would be the behavior of the switch. >> >> It's those kinds of little nuances that you must be able to anticipate. >> You can only teach so much, and the IPepert material does a good a job as >> any product out there. But at the end of the day it's up to you and I to >> take the learning to the next level and make ourselves the Expert worthy of >> passing the exam. >> >> Jason >> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Michael Davis - Webquor < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Marko - does this mean that the IPExpert BLS is not enough to pass? I >>> have completed vol1 and 2 now and am starting on vol3 next week? I am >>> really gaining a good understanding of everything presented but I am >>> worried now that it won't be good enough anymore. >>> What more would I need to do apart from all 3 workbooks and lots of study >>> and reading? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 03/03/2012, at 11:23 AM, "Marko Milivojevic" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One thing is certain - no single piece of study material is a magic >>>> bullet. All of our material works together towards the goal of >>>> preparing you to pass the test. >>>> >>>> In the past few months, the bar has been raised considerably when it >>>> comes to the troubleshooting section in the lab. Simply knowing "how >>>> to configure" doesn't cut it anymore and the training material and >>>> classes that focus on recipes are no longer enough. Candidates who go >>>> to the lab need to have a deep understanding on why things work the >>>> way they do and how they WORK, not how they're configured. >>>> >>>> All of our new products, including OWLE, but primarily 5-day ILT that >>>> I teach have *sharp* focus on deep technology understanding. Our new >>>> self-study products for example recently published "IPv4/IPv6 >>>> Multicast Operation and Troubleshooting" book reflect the entirely new >>>> direction our training is taking. In the near future, we'll also be >>>> revamping our other self-study products to bring them up to speed. Our >>>> Volume 1-3 workbooks are probably the best preparation material on the >>>> market, but we want them even better, with more focus on deep protocol >>>> operations. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >>>> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 08:35, J D'Silva <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> My $0.02 for what's it's worth... >>>>> >>>>> I have also taking the lab exam twice, and failed the TS section twice. >>>>> The second time I had enough tickets fixed to pass the section, and I >>>>> verified that all were working. I still came away with a significantly >>>>> lower score than expected. I was very careful to fix things, and not >>> just >>>>> remove configs, so I'm really at a loss where I went wrong. >>>>> >>>>> As well, I also did take the OWLE, and while it did help me focus on >>> fixing >>>>> the configs as opposed to removing them, it certainly wasn't a magic >>> bullet >>>>> for me to pass the TS section. It was a great experience, and I >>> enjoyed it >>>>> imensely, but don't go into it thinking that you'll all of a sudden have >>>>> the tools to pass the TS secstion. >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Diego Gonzalez <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sorry for your not pass! >>>>>> >>>>>> I failed some months ago (also failed in tshoot section) and I >>> understand >>>>>> your felling. >>>>>> >>>>>> My advice..practice and practice. understand all the topics (as you has >>>>>> made the exam..you know more or less what are the typical topics in >>> this >>>>>> exam), make your own scenarios and try "tipical issues" to view the >>>>>> behaivor and the way to you can resolve. >>>>>> >>>>>> Review the tech document TECCCIE-3610 (from Cisco Live of 2011). For >>> me, >>>>>> this was very usefull because you can see how is the exam, how is the >>>>>> grading process and several guidelines that I didn't know in my first >>>>>> attempt. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, practice the time management.. Is one of the most important >>>>>> thing to pass this exam. You have to make your strategy and apply it >>> in the >>>>>> exam (in the lab you wont have time to think in this things...) >>>>>> >>>>>> Lucky for the next attempt!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Diego. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/2/25 ron harmon <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Don; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can personally recommend the OWLE from IP Expert. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The entire week is very valuable and the tips you will get from Marko >>> are >>>>>>> sure to make a big impact in your next lab. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is an OWLE in San Jose in a couple of weeks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best of success on your next attempt! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Don Pezet <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I need some advice. I have unsuccessfully attempted the lab exam >>> twice >>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>> I am doing fine on the configuration section and on my second >>> attempt I >>>>>>>> passed with almost an hour left to check my configurations so I don't >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> any worries there. However, I failed the troubleshooting section both >>>>>>>> times. The first time I solved 7/10 tickets before running out of >>> time >>>>>>> so I >>>>>>>> came really close. I then spent three months focused on >>> troubleshooting >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> attempted the exam a second time, confident I would pass. On my >>> second >>>>>>>> attempt I tried to do better time management and focus on tickets >>> that >>>>>> I >>>>>>>> knew I could solve. I marked down that I solved 8, however when I got >>>>>> my >>>>>>>> score report I only solved 5/10 tickets so I actually did worse than >>> my >>>>>>>> first attempt. The test definitely seemed more difficult, but I think >>>>>> it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> obvious that my study methods are not paying off. Apparently when I >>>>>> setup >>>>>>>> the network myself (the config section) I have no problems, but when >>>>>>>> someone else sets up the network (the troubleshooting section) I am >>>>>>> stuck. >>>>>>>> So, I am looking for advice on what I can do to strengthen my >>>>>>>> troubleshooting skills. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is what I have been doing so far: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - I have watched all of the BLS content multiple times. >>>>>>>> - I have performed the CCIE R&S Workbook Volume I and Volume III labs >>>>>>>> multiple times on Proctor Labs equipment as well as in simulators. >>>>>>>> - I have performed the troubleshooting labs from Volume III enough >>>>>> times >>>>>>>> that I have the solutions memorized so it is not really >>> troubleshooting >>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>> - I have memorized countless template configurations so I know what >>>>>>>> commands are needed / not-needed when setting up things like MPLS, >>>>>>>> Frame-Relay, AutoRP, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At this point I am scratching my head as to what to do next. Does >>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>> have any advice on what I can do to get better at troubleshooting? >>> Does >>>>>>>> IPExpert have any additional products outside of the BLS bundle that >>>>>>> covers >>>>>>>> this better? Or a live class? I am thinking about repeating the CCNP >>>>>>> TSHOOT >>>>>>>> class to see if that helps, but the tickets on the lab exam are more >>>>>>>> advanced and cover topics not included in TSHOOT. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your time, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >>>>>> please >>>>>>>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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