Well said. I agree. -Randy
On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:45 PM, "J D'Silva" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think Marko is saying that the IPexpert product isn't enough to > pass. More what he's saying is that you cannot just take any product and > blindly work your way through it and expect to pass. It takes a lot more > in depth studying to really get to know the protocols and fully understand > exactly how they really work, and be able to determine how they will behave > in situations you haven't seen before. You have to go further than the > labs and the videos and actually know the topics. > > You have to be the router. > > And I think that's partly where Ive gone wrong. I can configure almost > anything on the blueprint that you put in front of me. With the exception > of some of the more advanced PfR I'm very comfortable with the topics > there. However, there was a thread on here the other day about intra VLAN > multicast that I spoke up on, and was promptly smacked down. It was a > scenario where if I had really understood IGMP Snooping and how ti worked > on a switch it would have been painfully clear what exactly was > happening. After reading through the doc the "the teacher" provided it in > hindsight seemed obvious that this would be the behavior of the switch. > > It's those kinds of little nuances that you must be able to anticipate. > You can only teach so much, and the IPepert material does a good a job as > any product out there. But at the end of the day it's up to you and I to > take the learning to the next level and make ourselves the Expert worthy of > passing the exam. > > Jason > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Michael Davis - Webquor < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Marko - does this mean that the IPExpert BLS is not enough to pass? I >> have completed vol1 and 2 now and am starting on vol3 next week? I am >> really gaining a good understanding of everything presented but I am >> worried now that it won't be good enough anymore. >> What more would I need to do apart from all 3 workbooks and lots of study >> and reading? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 03/03/2012, at 11:23 AM, "Marko Milivojevic" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> One thing is certain - no single piece of study material is a magic >>> bullet. All of our material works together towards the goal of >>> preparing you to pass the test. >>> >>> In the past few months, the bar has been raised considerably when it >>> comes to the troubleshooting section in the lab. Simply knowing "how >>> to configure" doesn't cut it anymore and the training material and >>> classes that focus on recipes are no longer enough. Candidates who go >>> to the lab need to have a deep understanding on why things work the >>> way they do and how they WORK, not how they're configured. >>> >>> All of our new products, including OWLE, but primarily 5-day ILT that >>> I teach have *sharp* focus on deep technology understanding. Our new >>> self-study products for example recently published "IPv4/IPv6 >>> Multicast Operation and Troubleshooting" book reflect the entirely new >>> direction our training is taking. In the near future, we'll also be >>> revamping our other self-study products to bring them up to speed. Our >>> Volume 1-3 workbooks are probably the best preparation material on the >>> market, but we want them even better, with more focus on deep protocol >>> operations. >>> >>> -- >>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) >>> Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 08:35, J D'Silva <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> My $0.02 for what's it's worth... >>>> >>>> I have also taking the lab exam twice, and failed the TS section twice. >>>> The second time I had enough tickets fixed to pass the section, and I >>>> verified that all were working. I still came away with a significantly >>>> lower score than expected. I was very careful to fix things, and not >> just >>>> remove configs, so I'm really at a loss where I went wrong. >>>> >>>> As well, I also did take the OWLE, and while it did help me focus on >> fixing >>>> the configs as opposed to removing them, it certainly wasn't a magic >> bullet >>>> for me to pass the TS section. It was a great experience, and I >> enjoyed it >>>> imensely, but don't go into it thinking that you'll all of a sudden have >>>> the tools to pass the TS secstion. >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Diego Gonzalez <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I'm sorry for your not pass! >>>>> >>>>> I failed some months ago (also failed in tshoot section) and I >> understand >>>>> your felling. >>>>> >>>>> My advice..practice and practice. understand all the topics (as you has >>>>> made the exam..you know more or less what are the typical topics in >> this >>>>> exam), make your own scenarios and try "tipical issues" to view the >>>>> behaivor and the way to you can resolve. >>>>> >>>>> Review the tech document TECCCIE-3610 (from Cisco Live of 2011). For >> me, >>>>> this was very usefull because you can see how is the exam, how is the >>>>> grading process and several guidelines that I didn't know in my first >>>>> attempt. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, practice the time management.. Is one of the most important >>>>> thing to pass this exam. You have to make your strategy and apply it >> in the >>>>> exam (in the lab you wont have time to think in this things...) >>>>> >>>>> Lucky for the next attempt!! >>>>> >>>>> Diego. >>>>> >>>>> 2012/2/25 ron harmon <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> Don; >>>>>> >>>>>> I can personally recommend the OWLE from IP Expert. >>>>>> >>>>>> The entire week is very valuable and the tips you will get from Marko >> are >>>>>> sure to make a big impact in your next lab. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is an OWLE in San Jose in a couple of weeks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of success on your next attempt! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Don Pezet <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I need some advice. I have unsuccessfully attempted the lab exam >> twice >>>>>> now. >>>>>>> I am doing fine on the configuration section and on my second >> attempt I >>>>>>> passed with almost an hour left to check my configurations so I don't >>>>>> have >>>>>>> any worries there. However, I failed the troubleshooting section both >>>>>>> times. The first time I solved 7/10 tickets before running out of >> time >>>>>> so I >>>>>>> came really close. I then spent three months focused on >> troubleshooting >>>>>> and >>>>>>> attempted the exam a second time, confident I would pass. On my >> second >>>>>>> attempt I tried to do better time management and focus on tickets >> that >>>>> I >>>>>>> knew I could solve. I marked down that I solved 8, however when I got >>>>> my >>>>>>> score report I only solved 5/10 tickets so I actually did worse than >> my >>>>>>> first attempt. The test definitely seemed more difficult, but I think >>>>> it >>>>>> is >>>>>>> obvious that my study methods are not paying off. Apparently when I >>>>> setup >>>>>>> the network myself (the config section) I have no problems, but when >>>>>>> someone else sets up the network (the troubleshooting section) I am >>>>>> stuck. >>>>>>> So, I am looking for advice on what I can do to strengthen my >>>>>>> troubleshooting skills. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is what I have been doing so far: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - I have watched all of the BLS content multiple times. >>>>>>> - I have performed the CCIE R&S Workbook Volume I and Volume III labs >>>>>>> multiple times on Proctor Labs equipment as well as in simulators. >>>>>>> - I have performed the troubleshooting labs from Volume III enough >>>>> times >>>>>>> that I have the solutions memorized so it is not really >> troubleshooting >>>>>> any >>>>>>> more. >>>>>>> - I have memorized countless template configurations so I know what >>>>>>> commands are needed / not-needed when setting up things like MPLS, >>>>>>> Frame-Relay, AutoRP, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At this point I am scratching my head as to what to do next. Does >>>>> anyone >>>>>>> have any advice on what I can do to get better at troubleshooting? >> Does >>>>>>> IPExpert have any additional products outside of the BLS bundle that >>>>>> covers >>>>>>> this better? Or a live class? I am thinking about repeating the CCNP >>>>>> TSHOOT >>>>>>> class to see if that helps, but the tickets on the lab exam are more >>>>>>> advanced and cover topics not included in TSHOOT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your time, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >>>>> please >>>>>>> visit www.ipexpert.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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