My friend, you are trying to wield logic in a pissing contest. I
admire the attempt though.....

On 8/10/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> okay, maybe I'm not being real clear.  The guy I was talking to said
> that all of his workers had given him socials.  He was withholding
> taxes on his workers paychecks, just like normal.  His workers weren't
> filing for tax refunds since they were afraid of being "found".
> So therefore, from this perspective, the government is getting tax
> money that it wouldn't normally because at this income level, all of
> it would be a refund.
>
>
>
> On 8/10/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The opposite would happen.
> >
> > Those jobs would still have to be filled, taxes would still be coming in,
> > and the number of American's unemployed would go down.  More tax income, and
> > less government spending on welfare and social programs.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:57 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad?
> >
> > yes, this is my point exactly.  How much will we start losing in tax
> > revenue if we suddenly get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants.
> >
> > On 8/10/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > yes perhaps. Money is still going into the system under the numbers
> > however.
> > >
> > > On 8/10/07, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I'll bet that the socials are fake, or hijacked.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Scott Stewart
> > > > ColdFusion Developer
> > > >
> > > > SSTWebworks
> > > > 4405 Oakshyre Way
> > > > Raleigh, NC. 27616
> > > > (703) 220-2835
> > > >
> > > > http://www.sstwebworks.com
> > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:52 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad?
> > > >
> > > > I would be curious as to how many of the 12 million illegals actually
> > > > do pay taxes.   I was talking with a guy the other day and he told me
> > > > that all of his workers had given him socials, but he was pretty sure
> > > > that most of them weren't legal and weren't filing for refunds since
> > > > they feared getting caught.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/10/07, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > My big problem, is that there are 12 million illegals in the country,
> > they
> > > > > use resources (clinics, schools, welfare, etc) intended for tax paying
> > > > > citizens, without paying into the system. So their getting a free
> > ride.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are two counties in Virginia, Prince William and Loudon that
> > have
> > > > > enacted legislation that requires proof of citizenship before being
> > > > allowed
> > > > > access to county services, I'm all for this, provided that it's a
> > level
> > > > > playing field, which means that everyone is held to the same standard.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't buy into "oh it's so difficult and expensive to get into the
> > US"
> > > > > it's not. The system does need to be streamlined, but I've seen no
> > > > evidence
> > > > > of any ridiculous fees...
> > > > >
> > > > > I also don't buy into the notion that the US owes the world something
> > and
> > > > > should simply throw open it's borders. There's not another country in
> > the
> > > > > world that has completely open borders, we shouldn't have them either.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Scott Stewart
> > > > > ColdFusion Developer
> > > > >
> > > > > SSTWebworks
> > > > > 4405 Oakshyre Way
> > > > > Raleigh, NC. 27616
> > > > > (703) 220-2835
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.sstwebworks.com
> > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:00 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad?
> > > > >
> > > > > >nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and the
> > money
> > > > > >I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes towards
> > > > > >them and the fucking war in iraq.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to see some real numbers on that. All I've ever heard so far
> > is
> > > > > nativist rhetoric about the evil illegal immigrants who are here to
> > murder
> > > > > us, rape our wimmin and park illegally.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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