Yeah, Larry actually opened my eyes to that a few years back. I've actually been trying to just expand the raw-food diet I've been on to include some protein, but that does jack up the grocery bill quite a bit. Label reading is at least a partial solution I guess. I just well... personally it wouldn't occur to me to sweeten tomato sauce :)
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty hard to > avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make our own using a > Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar for the regular ones > (zero > for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we just > drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than aspartame (something > that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes back in > 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few months > without doing anything else. > > I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. I have > yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to eat > something that's not good for me, I can think of things I would enjoy more > than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were starting > to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know anything > about that? > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said that > > if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably shouldn't be > > making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything to sweeten it. So > > if you are buying premade sauce, if it is sweetened, more than likely > > it has HFCS. I do watch the labels when I know it is going to do any > > good. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting processed > > foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells isn't > > necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label and look > > up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn syrup in the > > tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why sweeten that? The > > next step I want to take is buying at the farmer's market, and even > > then I may ask some questions. Living in Santa Cruz County taught me > > that even something as apparently healthy as fresh strawberries has > > hidden gotchas. > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. > > > Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy ingredients...instead > > > we use chemicals that are harmful to us and tend to increase > > > obesity. In the lower class and even parts of the middle class...i > > > would say that yes, we are powerless to stop obesity. Back when we > > > had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh ingredients, it was a > lot easier. > > > Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced to > > > eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. These > > > foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high fructose corn > > > syrup and other products that lead to faster weight gain. > > > These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy > > > foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just can't > > > afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all the time, > > > but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty decent money. Even > > > when you have ideal conditions and one can eat relatively healthy > > > and exercise, it is difficult to maintain a good weight. Our > > > lifestyle does not match our evolution. We were designed to have > > > very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, especially for those of us > > > in non-laborer positions, we don't have the time to get the exercise we > really need. > > > So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at a > > > proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? > > > > > > On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" > > > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot of > > > > stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in obesity. > > > > Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you > > > > gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like thyroid > > > > disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take to combat > > > > these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have diabetes. > > > > Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. > > > > Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher > > > > insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat since > > > > it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, that there > > > > is an abundance of glucose in your blood. Hypothyroidism, which > > > > is pretty common, also adds to weight gain as it lowers your > metabolism. > > > > Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will > > > > cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the > > > > contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy > > > metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you may > > > not lose weight. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM > > > > To: cf-community > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in > > > > North America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? > > > > Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense > > > > approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or > > > > processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily > > > > apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is largely > self-inflicted and preventable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of > > > >> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. > > > >> > > > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do > > > >>> with the > > > >> other > > > >>> 99.9% of obese people. :) > > > >>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise > > > >>>> sufficiently > > > >>> due > > > >>>> to disabilities. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM > > > >>>> To: cf-community > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, is > > > >>>> all I am saying. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for some > > > >>>> other > > > >>> reason, > > > >>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from gaining > > > >>>> more but > > > >>> not > > > >>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty > > > >>>> much have > > > >> to > > > >>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant weight > > > >>>> and keep > > > >> it > > > >>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but I > > > >>>> was > > > >> quite > > > >>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. > > > >>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you can't > > > >>>> eat all fruit > > > >> all > > > >>> of > > > >>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked doctors, I > > > >>>> got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. > > > >>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry too > > > >>>> much > > > > about the fat. > > > >>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself > > > >>>> crazy > > > >>>> -- > > > >> just > > > >>>> eat > > > >>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol numbers > > > >>>> than > > > >>> anyone > > > >>>> on this list ;) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, because > > > >>>> I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making excuses, > > > >>>> but this isn't really about me. I have more weight to lose and > > > >>>> am pretty sure that for me the > > > >>> key > > > >>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think that's > > > >>>> the case > > > >>> for > > > >>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs > > > >>>> certainly > > > >>> didn't > > > >>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four times > > > >>>> a week > > > >> for > > > >>>> years. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain > > > >>>> because > > > >> they > > > >>>> eat > > > >>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are people > > > >>>> who have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. > > > >>>> One size does not > > > >>> fit > > > >>>> all, is what I am saying. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in :) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: > > > >>>>> The other two legs of the > > > >>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. > > > >>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346075 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
