Yes, it was heartwarming. My english vocab is getting worse I am trying to learn a 3rd language hahaha.
I understand your anger about people saying that it's not their country. But I understand how they are feeling, because this isn't really their home you know. Not where they grew up. And yes, this country is generous to them, and the most we can ask for is that they are good hard working decent people. But patriotism/nationalism, I am not sure.
I've been in Texas almost all my life. if I had to leave to California to find a new job, i could never say California is my home state. My heart will always be right here in Texas.
When they said "I can't wait to leave", i dont think they mean it as to say "i hate this place I am ungrateful". I think they really mean "I cannot wait to go home and see my family and be home once again". And i see nothing wrong with that.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Johnson
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Nice people....
I didn't think it was heartbreaking, rather heartwarming.
I was ready to sponsor "papa" myself, the Mexican grandfather who was "left behind" when the family went to get their visas.
The thing I did find myself getting angry about was the number of times some people said "this is not my country. I can't wait to leave". I think they should be escorted to the door, and someone who wants to be here welcomed in their place.
How long has the show been on? (How much have I missed?)
Jerry Johnson
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I was watching this series on PBS called "The New Americans" (GREAT SERIES!!!!). Basically they document the lives of foreigners leaving their country and cominghere. One of them was a Palestinian, and one night in his backyard he was tlkain with family and friends about the current situation. Dude said he was tired of all the violence, and that it will never be safe and that it's crazy there. The others insisted that he stayed, saying "what do you think our martyrs will say?" he replied "i think the martyrs are stupid". And that he's gonna go to the states and make a living. he also added that it took america 200 years to get to where it is right now, so he's not waiting around for it to happen in palestine.
great show about foreigners comin over here. i love it. heartbrekaing stuff too :(
----- Original Message -----
From: Angel Stewart
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:41 PM
Subject: RE: Nice people....
You'd swear similar riots, beatings, and heinous mob acts of violence
have never occurred in the history of the United States.
As far as I remember, the United States had an extremely violent, and
bloody history, with Americans being guilty of mass genocide and savage
murders against unarmed women and children.
If you dispute that I can find several examples during the civil war,
and during the systematic destruction of the indigenous people that
lived in what is now known as the United States.
Blame your president for taking unilateral action against Iraq under
false pretenses, and having no plan for managing and controlling the
country afterward apart from the oilfields.
But please don't imply that the Iraqis are worse than any other country,
including your own with regards to rioting, or violence during its
period of 'nation building'. And please don't imply that after America
attacked Iraq that it does not have a responsibility to follow through
on its promises and support the country and engage in "Nation Building"
as Powel put it. Or was that all a bunch of sh**?
Perhaps someone living on a little Caribbean island can look on with
utter shock and horror, and may even legitimately be able to say our
citizens never acted thus and reach a (in my view false ) conclusion
that the Iraqis in general are subhuman and not worthy of any support or
assistance.
But America? Please. America certainly isn't a stranger to such horrific
acts on the way to its present equilibrium.
Pick up a US history book. It is doubly different to attempt to
understand another society, if you don't even know where your own came
from.
-Gel
-----Original Message-----
From: John Stanley
you are correct...thanks for the info.
sure it is.
i guess that means that it wont happen again. and there wont be dancing
in
the streets in the West Bank when the next 9-11 happens.
Oil may have been the primary motivation, and it also looked like the
people
there were perfectly content to live the rest of their lives in fear of
him,
why should we have taken them away from that happiness?
Remind me again why we even cared to free them from Sadam?
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm19126_20040331.htm
<http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm19126_20040331.htm>
I know it is generalizing, but i cant find in the article where it says
that
anyone tried to stop this. so to me it looks like the people of Iraq get
off
on desecrating corpses. hmmm, these are the same people who decry
American
anti-arab sentiment....I wonder freaking why that is?
Does anyone have any information where mobs of americans have done this
to
anyone, ever?
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