On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 1:20 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:31 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> >>
> >> ColdFusion is compiled to Java. Hand the code to the company in an EAR
> >> or WAR and they won't ever know you used ColdFusion.
> >>
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Adam Haskell wrote:
> >
> > Let me know how much repeat business you get with that tactic please.
>
> Are you being sarcastic?  I'm not quite sure.
>

Yes and no. I really am curious if you folks would deal with you giving them
a "JEE app"* that they do not have resources to maintain. Now if its a
turnkey solution sure I guess I see this working but in my world we never
take something without getting the source code and needing customizations,
so getting a "JEE app" that is not written in Java wouldn't work so well, if
we didn't have a large CFML group at least ;)


* Yes it is truly a JEE app no doubt there but there is an implication there
that it is Java so unless it is clear that it is not I see that as
underhanded.

Deploying applications as WARs or EARs seems pretty slick.  Covers a
> lot of problems with application deployment, neh?
>
> I'm just getting into it, and clustering, but I could easily see
> distributing one's application as a zip file, basically.
>

It has it's positive and negatives, we actually prefer to just deploy
individual code into a WAR but that has more to do with Websphere sucking
than anything :)



>
> I see people paying me money for these applications.  And leveraging
> Java is a pretty powerful feature.
>
> From the other end, if you're doing anything cool, you'd have an API
> anyways.  Maybe use SOAP or, well, whatever, really.  Not quite a java
> API though, I guess.
>
> It's not Java, literally, (or maybe it is, actually ;]), so I wouldn't
> sell it as "having Java source files", but I could see selling it as a
> java application (or java-based).  At least, Dilbert-style: "the
> pointy heads don't even know what Java is, but they've heard of it, at
> least".
>

Agreed but like I said earlier selling something as JEE app has some general
implications I think.



>
> Probably depends on your business model, and if the client owns the
> source code, and all that stuff, as to how successful you'd be at
> doing things this way, too.
>
>
> You'd be silly to sell CF source as Java source, of course, of course.
>  If that's what you were getting at.


Or not being clear about it... I think I've made this point a couple times
now though so I'll stop banging my drum ;)


Adam


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