You missed the point, I can tell you someone who has never programmed in their life. Took up programming in CF and ran with it fast, not only that but thay also picked up Flash, and Javascript and ExtJS and JQuery.
In a space of 3 months I can tell you I was impressed. Now whether you have 3 months or 15 years, or even 31 years like myself. You have to have the aptitude to learn it, without that it will be difficult. So you are still wrong, unless you know this person extremely well you can not judge him/her on what they might or might not be able to do. But you are right you can't use expect that one can pick it up, and then expect to get paid top dollar either. But you can certainly look at junior positions that can lead to better training and expertise to work with. Actually becoming a good Java developer is not hard, becoming someone who is fluent is. That means knowing beans, servelets, Spring, patterns and many more to boot, but as I stated you can very easily get a grasp of the basics and go for a junior position without any troubles what so ever. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Chabot [mailto:mcha...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2011 7:57 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer > > > The person asking the question appears to be someone without much > experience in either language and is likely not a programming master with a > 15 year work history. In theory, anybody can lean anything. I could become a > brain surgeon if I really put my mind to it, but I don't think the original poster > was looking for "you can do it!" motivation. If he tries to get a job doing Java > programming, I don't think anyone would hire him and put him through an > extensive training course. Most employers could easily find an inexperienced > new college grad that at least knows Java, considering that is what most high > schools and colleges teach. > > I was saying the original statement is false since I would never trivialize the > effort needed to become proficient in Java. Becoming a good Java > programmer is not "easy," as the original statement was implying. It involves > a lot of hard work and takes years. A CF site might benefit from adding in > some Java code, but a Java-based Web site would never use CF code, so the > "work hand in hand" part of the statement false, since that statement > implies a benefit in both directions. Working "hand in hand" means both > technologies are closely linked and are used together, which is almost never > the case. I would estimate that around 1% of CF sites make use of significant > Java code and 0% of Java-based Web sites make use of any CF code. I would > agree that you can easily drop Java code into a CF site, but almost nobody > does this in the current versions of CF since CF 9 provides nearly every > feature a Web site could need without having to extend it in any significant > way. > > -Mike Chabot > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:345464 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
