Kevin brings up a good point. By reducing the number of people who are
authorized to take the lab, the waiting list for the lab will shrink. I
think that it's time that Cisco bring the CCIE into the certification track
with the other certs. Personally, I found the CCIE written to be rather
easy compared to the CID exam.
I don't think I'd let the CCNP/CCDP be the prerequisite however. I think
I'd rather keep the CCIE written qualifier as a separate, yet progressively
more difficult exam, perhaps by keeping the current content, but adding
more questions relevant to today's large scale networks. The new order of
certification might be CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP, CCIE Written, each
certification being a prerequisite for the next.
I don't necessarily think that a change to the CCIE lab is in order, mainly
since I've heard that while the number of people taking (or waiting to
take) the lab has increased, the passing rate has pretty much stayed the
same.
Craig
At 04:35 PM 6/2/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>"This has somewhat lessened the difficulty of the process (as witnessed by
>the
>backlog of people taking the lab after breezing through the written)."
>
>When the "junior certs" were introduced, it was pondered whether they should
>be a pre-requisite to the CCIE written or as I have read before - make the
>CCNP/CCDP the pre-requisite for the lab.
>
>On a FAQ at one time, Cisco said that "eventually" the CCIE would become
>part of the career certification track which was to say that you would need
>to go through the junior certs before attempting the CCIE.
>
>With the onslaught of new study material, bootcamps, virtual racks et al, I
>think it is time that the CCIE written be retired and the CCNP/CCDP be the
>CCIE lab authorization.
>
>Or, because the CCIE written still has stuff that is not talked about much
>any more (if at all) in the current R/S curriculum, then a smaller CCIE
>written to cover those topics but integrate it into the present career
>track. CCNA - CCNP/CCDP - CCIE Written - CCIE lab.
>
>This way, we could get rid of the idea of passing one exam and then clogging
>the calendar for the CCIE lab. If you have to get from 4 - 7 exams before
>the lab, that would perhaps slow things down and maybe (just maybe) increase
>the success rate at the lab.
>
>Hopefully this would stave off any loss of respect for the cert and perhaps
>even increase it.
>
>
>Kevin Wigle
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Louie Belt"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, 02 June, 2001 09:33
>Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
>
>
> > Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would want the lab to be
>tougher.
> > A number of study aids are now available that were not in the past. This
> > has somewhat lessened the difficulty of the process (as witnessed by the
> > backlog of people taking the lab after breezing through the written).
> > Making it tougher is just a method of counterbalancing all of the
>increased
> > study aids and maintaining the value of the CCIE cert.
> >
> > If you truly want to obtain your CCIE then you should want it to be as
> > difficult as possible, otherwise where is the value in the cert? If you
>are
> > not up to the challenge, then don't make the attempt.
> >
> > As for who should evaluate the CCIE program - most (not all)employers
> > couldn't begin to answer the questions about what is needed from a CCIE.
> > The biggest employer of CCIE's is Cisco (by far) so they should already
>have
> > an idea of what is needed. Cisco has been respectful enough of the CCIE
> > population to also ask for their input and most have given it willingly.
> >
> > My main interested is in preserving the value of the CCIE cert. I am
> > currently studying for my 2nd CCIE cert and still hope they make it
>tougher
> > (before I complete it). I also hope they make the recertification tests
> > tougher as well.
> >
> > I'm up to the challenge - are you?
> >
> >
> > Louie
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