Well, a ccie doesn't know how to fix the NT server; however, he/she does
know how change the IP address of the NT server or how to reboot the box
right? I would expect that CCIE to be able to do the same thing with a
Unix box. He/she doesn't have to manage the Unix server, just know that
basic troubleshooting stuffs. To my knowledge, Linux and Solaris x86 are
free so those basic Unix skills can be learned very quickly.
>From: "B.J. Wilson" >Reply-To: "B.J. Wilson" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul
2001 19:38:56 -0400 > >You're attributing a fault in "these guys" to a
certification which doesn't >test on UNIX skills. In other words, they're
CCIEs - they know more than >you or I do about routing and switching on
Cisco routers (presumably). But >the CCIE is the *beginning* of an
overall understanding of how networks >work - it's not the end-all-be-all
certification which automatically >elevates someone to godlike status, as
much as you might want them to be >networking gods. > >This is actually
one thing I'm worried about, should I ever achieve the CCIE
>certification: I don't want some future employer to say "Oh, you're a
CCIE, >great - come over here and fix this NT server," only to be
disappointed to >learn that I know nothing about NT! > >The bottom line
is: don't criticize a CCIE because they don't know how to >use or manage
a UNIX server. That's not what they've been trained to do, >it's not what
they're certified to do, and if you're smart, you won't hire >someone to
do UNIX stuff without making them prove that they *can* do it. >In other
words, quit your bellyaching. ;-) > >BJ > > >----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sean Young" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:14 PM >Subject:
what's wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151] > > > > What's wrong with CCIEs
today? I know that I am making a general > > assumptions; however,this is
the second time that it has happend to the > > company that I work for.
We have several tacacs servers that use to > > authenticate users. These
tacacs servers are running on a combination of > > Linux and Solaris
platforms. While I was away at the Networker > > Conference, one of our
tacacs servers (solaris) die due to hardware > > failure and the
amazingly the tacacs process on the Linux die. Because > > of this,
everyone has to login to the routers and switches via local > > account.
We hire these CCIEs to maintain the network while I am away for > > a few
weeks. None of these CCIEs have any background with tacacs servers > >
running on Unix platforms. As to our problems, the simple to do is just >
> to restart the tacacs process byfirst: "killall tac_plus" and second >
> "/usr/sbin/tac_plus -C /etc/tacacs/tac_plus.cfg" but these CCIEs guys >
> have absolutely no clues. Furthermore, they don't even know how to use
> > editing in Unix (i.e vi or emacs) and ended up screwing up my tacacs
> > configuration files. We have a few employees that need tacacs account
> > but these CCIEs guys have no clues how to addnew users to a
configuration > > file which if anyone has done tacacs on the unix
platform know that you > > just modify the configuration file
tac_plus.conf and restart tacacs > > process. These CCIE guys say that
they come from a windows environment > > so they don't have too much with
Unix platforms. I also notice that a > > lot of CCIEs these days lack the
Unix skills that are required for the > > Service Providers environment.
Most don't even know how to tunnel > > X-application through Secure Shell
(SSH). I still remember those days > > when Cisco Engineers are very well
verse in both unix and routers > > skills. I long for those days again.
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