You'll have to catch my followup post. I was *completely* kidding! Usually, I'm better at wording sarcastic posts so that it's quite obvious. In this case, I didn't do a very good job because only the people who know me seem to caught the joke. Others have been sending fairly nasty emails. :-)
The point that I didn't make very well is that -- especially in Howard's case -- certs are meaningless. That guy has forgotten more about networking than most of us will ever learn. For some reason, he seems to draw a lot of fire from some list members because he hasn't taken the CCIE lab. That's like asking a space shuttle astronaut to go back and re-qualify on a Cessna. Hope that straightens things out, John >>> "timothy thielen" 5/1/02 1:41:57 PM >>> I'm glad you're just sending regards today, 'cause I'd send Rebecca right back with your love. What you just posted was 2 things. 1) It was not about cisco equipment, thus by your argument it should not have been posted. 2) It was quite possibly the most arrogant thing I have ever seen anyone post here. While I will NEVER claim to be perfect or always correct (I am frequently wrong, but usually catch myself before posting), I have to believe that with all the studying I have done, I have something to add to the discussions. This is not a strict issue/resolution forum. We are not here to simply leech configs. It is, last I checked, a discussion group for those aspiring to the highest standards in networking knowlege. Remember, the CCIE has no prereq's, so lack of certs means precisely zero. FOR INSTANCE: Our own darling Priscilla Oppenheimer, generally agreed to be at the level of Network Goddess, does not have her CCIE. So, by your rule, she who has been networking since I entered kindergarden would not be qualified to post here. Don't put too much weight on certs. When you get down to it, they're mostly just letters. Sorry for the tirade, guys, but that really bugged me. *dismounts soapbox* --Tim, CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I, UPoAR, sorry, no parenting cert. (thankfully, I have not spawned... could you imagine?) John Neiberger wrote: > > I've been noticing a growing trend on the list for several > months now > and I'm hoping to start some discussion and perhaps alleviate > this > particular issue. > > As everyone knows we have a fair number of true, guru-level > experts > that participate in the list and provide a wealth of excellent > networking knowledge. However, very often this isn't > Cisco-specific and > as such is not of much value and it really seems to irritate > other > members of the list who understand that the only topics worth > studying > are Cisco-related. > > To make matters even worse, many of these so-called experts > aren't even > Cisco certified!! I was under the impression that to be a true > expert > one must have attained the CCIE certification, or at least CCNP > with > multiple specializations. How can we trust your advice if you > we don't > see those initials in your email sigs?? > > Participation on the list by these sorts of experts, regardless > of > there vast experience and knowledge, causes excessive distress > to > certain list members. In order to show more tolerance toward > the easily > annoyed, perhaps we should consider only allowing CCIEs to > answer posts. > I'm sure others would agree that this would solve this > problem. We > must find a way to prune the non-certified from our ranks. > > Regards, > > John parenting > advice unless you've passed some sort of parenting > certification. > Thanks.) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=43024&t=42996 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]