too be honest.... There's not enough ccie's in the world to support all the
study groups...

I think off topic conversations do exist but are fairly maintanable and
generally do not get out of hand.  I would hope that the users of this list
do not expect it to be ALL CISCO as the name would imply.  Part of being a
CCIE is the fact that you are an internet engineer with vast experience. 
The CC in front just means that cisco certified you as far as I am concerned.

If you are truly using this list to study by, the conversations herein
should be a wakeup call to those who have tunnel vision.  I would hate to
think you would consider studying for your ccnp/ccie and not discuss things
that are not related to catos or ios.

What happens when you move into a unix/rip routed network and you need to
supply connectivity to boston from atlanta... Chances are you are not going
to purchase a serial card for your server.  Rather purchase a router...so
now you have a 2501 off ebay and you are connecting to a 3com office
connect  on the other side.  what do you do?

should that not be discussed here?  

-Patrick

my $.02

-Patrick

>>> "Paul Jin"  05/01/02 02:18PM >>>
Hi John,

I see your concern, but would have to disagree to a certain
degree.

Certification is very important, and vast discussion here in groupstudy is
dedicated to Cisco cert, but not everything is
a cisco world.  I am not saying we should start discussing,
the difference between VB and C++ here but I still welcome
networking discussion in general that is related to being a
network engineer.

In agreeing with you, I would like to somehow limit posting that
is totally irrelevant so we can have some focus but I don't think
talking only about Cisco equipment and only by CCIE is an answer.

My goal is to be a professional network engineer, and Cisco is
my main product, but I don't want to limit my knowledge to just that
or listen to CCIEs only.

Many Corporate executive jobs require bachelors and masters degrees, but
there are presidents and CEOs that never went or finished college, so should
we exclude listening to them about running a business?

Certs are important, but I don't think we should limit people because they
do not have a certain cert.

- Paul
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