Didn't you even bother to read the disclaimer I put in my post? I didn't start this thread, I'm not the one who said that they had reverse engineered Cisco's products, I'm not the one who stated that even the product lines were named the same. I'm not spreading rumors and I specifically included a disclaimer that I don't yet have all the information and that I haven't yet been able to verify anything about Huawei. If Huawei is legit and hasn't based their product on someone else's intellectual property, then I hope they become a huge marketforce. I'm all for competition in the R&S marketplace.
The fact of the matter is that Asia as a whole, and China specifically, is widely known for wholesale software piracy and for blatantly ignoring international intellectual property laws. So, when someone starts a thread on a new company whose line of routers supposedly runs Cisco IOS and whose product line is supposedly clearly named to show the close alliance to Cisco's product line, I get rightfully concerned. We ALL should be concerned. What bothered me about the post wasn't that Huawei came out with a line of routers that competes directly with Cisco....it was that they were presented in such a light (by others, not me), that made it appear that they were infringing on Cisco's intellectual property, and people seemed excited, not bothered, by the fact. Finally, let me stress again....I'm not saying that Huawei did anything wrong. I have no knowledge of the company. They're probably completely legitimate. In fact, I hope Hauwei is legitimate and that there is a new competitor in the marketplace. Competition makes everyone stronger, except when that competition is the result of intellectual property rights infringement. Craig At 05:01 PM 7/26/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Ok Craig, you need to gather some more info before you start spreading >piracy rumors. I just talked to the the west coast channel manager for >Huawei, Yes their routers are very similar to cisco, But he assured me that >they in no way reverse-engineered them. They have been designed with the >cisco user in mind. That way your learning curve is quite small. They have >their own OS it is NOT Cisco IOS, but the interface looks very similar, >Their routers will NOT run cisco IOS. They also have designed their own >ASIC's for these routers. So I think you need to chill out a little and get >some more info. These products seem to fit a very big market here in the US. >There are a lot of cisco engineers here in US that would love to be able to >offer this to their customers. I will be getting a demo unit soon and would >love to share my experience with the group. > >Erich > >-----Original Message----- >From: Craig Columbus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:58 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Huawei routers - a.k.a. futurewei.com [7:49778] > > >Just thought I'd comment on this.... > >Let me issue a disclaimer first: >I've never heard of these routers until this thread. I'm only responding >to the information presented in these posts. I've been, so far, unable to >verify the information presented for myself. If I'm mistaken, and the >product isn't a Cisco ripoff, then I apologize. > >With that said: > >Am I the only one who finds it troubling that this company has, apparently, >copied Cisco's proprietary designs and is selling them as their own? Sure >they're cheaper. So is pirated software. Does it make it right to >support an operation like this? These guys even ripped off Cisco's product >line names. Surely there's some legal recourse for Cisco, at least in the >USA. I guess I'm bothered because this group is so anti-NDA violation, >anti-software piracy, etc....and then when something like this comes out, >no one bothers to speak up against it. In fact, people seem excited >because they'll be able to put together a cheaper lab to practice for the >CCIE lab. Personally, I don't see any difference between this and >willingly buying / exchanging pirated software. If I discover that the >claims are true, and that this company is only selling reverse-engineered >Cisco products, I, for one, will not support them or their equipment. > >Just my opinion... >Craig > > > > >At 03:10 PM 7/26/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi group, > > > >Huawei routers were introduced into the local market sometime in the > >past 2 months in an asian networking exhibition called "Communicasia". > > > >That's where I met the Huawei distributor whom had volunteered to > >provide a demo set for me to play with (myself from an international > >mnc, has current projects to revamp our LAN/WAN structure) and guess > >what, my boss is requesting me to have a look at their routers ! > > > >The day the router came into the office, I noticed that there were no > >manuals provided. After meddling with the router, I believed that there > >was no need to request for one in the first place ! There will be no > >requirements to load the box with IOS, it is IOS (with a bit of > >differences). The whole thing was CLONED ! > > > >I'm not too sure about reversed-engineering but more on how Cisco is > >going to protect their market dominance. With boxes selling for 30-40% > >cheaper, I guess lots of ppl will be rushing off to buy it. > > > >Guess might as well I pack my bags for China to get a new set of > >certifications. > > > >Ron Tan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=49802&t=49778 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
