""Howard C. Berkowitz""  wrote in message
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> At 6:37 PM +0000 12/18/02, Mic shoeps wrote:
> >Hello
> >
> >I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to
> >achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer
> >science or a networking degree (you have to take the GRE and complete 2
or 3
> >years of school works) than a CCIE, but my collegue think other wise. He
> >literally believes that having a CCIE is equivalent of having a Ph.d in
> >Networking. I'd like to hear your thought.
>
> Well, let's look at some especially important PhD dissertations:
>
>    Radia Perlman:
> http://www.lcs.mit.edu/publications/pubs/pdf/MIT-LCS-TR-429.pdf
>    Steve Deering:
> http://www.tux.org/pub/net/ftp.ee.lbl.gov/sigcomm/sigcomm.ps
>    Vern Paxson:   http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/paxson97measurements.html
>
> The content of many protocol RFCs is at a level that might be
> associated with PhD level research, although some of the most
> productive people with both operational and theoretical knowledge are
> college dropouts.  Look through the list of RFCs and see how many
> that someone with a CCIE, and no theoretical* training could write.
>
> For example, we have fairly strong data that the path vector approach
> of BGP will not continue to scale as the Internet becomes more highly
> interconnected and there is more churn/flap.  It's not directly a
> problem of the number of routes, but their interaction.  A reasonable
> dissertation would propose the theory of a protocol to replace BGP,
> with some experimental backup.
>


time for the old paradigm shift, eh, Howard?

BTW - do you know why it only took God 6 days to create the universe?  ;->


>
> ------------------
> *By theoretical, I don't mean as is often used on the list: "how the
> protocol works and what are its messages."  I mean WHY the protocol
> is designed the way it is, what alternatives were rejected, the
> problems it solves, etc.




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