You would enjoy our sailing. We have two series locally (not counting the bigger Bay races or all the stuff that goes on in Annapolis). Generally light air and rather flat water. Our Wednesday group is divided into three classes, Stars (one design), A and B with the break at 150 PHRF. But we put J-24's in with the A, because they are good in light air.
The top boats in A are J-80, (120) Andrews 26 (141), Viper (111), J-105 (87). On a brisk night the Ericson 38 (114) goes well, especially if there is a good downwind run. In B, we have a Thunderbird (198), Impulse 21 (182 with genoa), Morgan 30 (204), and Bermuda 40 (174) with an 88 year old skipper and experienced crew, and the ex-Admiral on Penniless (30-1 - 174). A couple of years ago, she won it but the T-Bird and Impulse weren't playing, and lately the T-Bird has been dominant (but next year it looks like the Impulse will be a lot closer. Plus, anyone can get 10% if they race non-spinnaker (some come out with less crew and do this - others wait until it is blowing hard and figure that surfing without spinnaker is less daring than broaching with one). Our Saturday series is most of the same boats in one fleet with 15% benefit for non-spinnaker and 7 1/2 % for asyms tacked to the bow without a sprit or pole. The J-80 is still on top, but we have a J-70 which was just delivered and the Andrews guy is looking at Melges', so that should be interesting. But, in a recent race, a new boat to the fleet (Cal 33 (156)) beat everybody as there was a long spinnaker run - dead downwind - the B-40 and Bristol 35.5 did well too. Jibing downwind wasn't fast enough to make up for the extra distance for the sprit folks. I agree, there is only one way (PHRF) to make this work - our friends from Oxford Maryland try to use the usual A,B,C PHRF breaks and they have tiny classes - two to four boats - so they do a "overall" trophy to make up for it. Makes for dull sailing. Gary Penniless (JAM winner - separate series) St. Michaels MD ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck S To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:35 AM Subject: Stus-List Fun comparing Phrf Ratings The Frers 33 looks very interesting late 80's design. Nice support group with 40 member boats in their class association. Carrol Marine is a quality builder. Photos show the boats are raced very competively with large crews. PHRF of 109 to 114. The J-30 is a late 70's design and a different boat entirely, 10% shorter, 25% lighter, with 575 boats built with a base rating of 144, indicating a slower boat by today's standards. Compare with a 1992 J-92 who's rating is 96 and the fun begins. Our local PHRF fleet is small and we race with 5 boats non-spinnaker and 3 boats in spinnaker fleet in usually 4 to 8 knots. I race non-spin which includes the smallest, a 21 foot 3 man Viper 640, to a C&C 37+. I think PHRF is our best choice, but it's rarely fair when the Viper sails at our speed just ahead of us around the course rating slower and we lose a place to a J28 that finishes 5 minutes after us. That's PHRF. If I had a little money, I'd buy a Beneteau Figaro II rating 102. If I had much money, I'd have an Open 60. Go Vendee Globe!! Still, I'm happy to own a beautiful C&C 34R. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "TARAS IWANYCKI" <tar...@bell.net> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:12:13 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Thanks Rick That is very much what played out this season. I believe the handicap was 111 and he got three seconds and dropped to 114 for the modification His modification did not adversely affect the boat,,,,she is fast and points like crazy. Often outpointing etchelles We sail in Lake St-Louis / Montreal area, which is part of the St-Laurence River (My former boat was a C&C24.....presently have a J30) That is the challenge in PHRF racing,....the fleet can be very mixed. In the first race of the club championship I managed to edge out the Frers to the windard mark and sat to windward of him for 1/2 the race. But he managed to get ahead by the leward mark and once he had clean air,...he was gone I read one review that had them in a class with faster boats and they performed poorly (did not have clean air) but became the top boat when they changed class and were in front of the fleet I guess I will have to pull up our socks or buy that C&C37+ I keep eyeing Thanks Taras Montreal,QC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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