Thanks for all the comments.
Danny - Yes - I'm aware the "good condition" sails and the "year or 2" left in the canvas are pointing at need for replacement before long. Guy selling the boat seems pretty straight, so I don't think he's over valuing the sails and they are totally shot. As for the Nada value and the price - it is my understanding the NADA value is US based, boats locally list for a lot more than that. Not much I can do other than buy a boat in the US and ship/sail it back. As Mike noted - the cost of that adds up quickly. Rough quote to ship a 30 back from NY was over $6000 by land. I could have it sailed back for $2000, but I'd still have the expense of going down to look and having to pay for required repairs at a unfamiliar yard before it could sail home.
Bob's example of a good condition 29 for $13500 - plus the cradle ends up being ~$15500. Then add the cost of getting it home (either I take a week off work or I pay to have it sailed back) - total $17-18000. He likely has better sails but the price is pretty close in the end.
In this case the boat has a pretty good trailer - value of ~ $2000, saving me the cost of buying a cradle. Another 29-2 for sale locally is listed at $26000 with racing sails. 30's listed for $22-30000 (at the cheaper end they are in rough shape, needing new sails and deck work).
Having looked at this boat I think I'd be happy to get it for $17000 - but I doubt he'll sell it for that. Maybe I'm off in my value because all the boat prices are listed so high and the actual selling prices are much lower.
Stevan - I had my eye on a nice 32 - but it sold (apparently in brilliant shape and sold for ~$30000). I'd consider anything from a 29 to a 33. Still trying to keep costs down (total purchase and up-keep) while finding a boat big enough to enjoy with the kids. 29 is the smallest I think that could work. When I was on a 33 2weeks ago it seemed huge inside, yet not much more useable space.
In the end my local options are limited and the prices are higher than areas with a lot more population. I could buy cheaper but most seem to need more work. I could travel, but that adds costs. For a good looking boat that fits my needs and my eye, I'll pay a bit extra for ease of getting it local, but don't want to get fleeced. Hopefully I can convince him that my price is fair, but I expect he'll think I'm low-balling.
Thanks for the advice Mark --------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) Bedford Chiropractic www.bedfordchiro.ca --------------------- There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 01/08/2013 9:48 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:
It will cost a lot more than 4000 to get the LIS boat to canada. Cradle alone is 1500. You will have to ship the 29 by road and that will be pricey. The local boat is a serious bargain compared to the US one. This is more true if the trailer is road worthy and not junk Mike -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Another boat Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on Sunday. http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C -C-29-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947 Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough (needs a good sanding and new bottom coat). The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min drive home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming the hoist can get the boat high enough to put it to bed). He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine supposedly runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no dimples or dings (although there is some minor damage at the stern where someone likely backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a bit rough (no mold but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover reported to "have a year or 2 left in them", cushions ok (few years left in fabric) The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm? (I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to sell a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long way away, hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and the fact that I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a local boat for $4000 the price is pretty even) NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000 ----------------- Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000 http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal- 9-2-Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591 (NADA value at $13800) Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures). Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw water cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online comments are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts of the IOR rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc. I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my own thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end looks either! Any thoughts appreciated, Mark
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