Shopping for a boat may seem daunting and nerve racking, but try to make it a fun experience. Take time and travel to sailing meccas that may be in your future cruising plans. I went to Newport and Annapolis. You might try Toronto or other cities nearby that have many sailboats, and great waterfront restaurants to discuss the top candidates. You can imagine owning any boat until you sign papers. Then you have nothing but anxiety about if you made the right decision, and endless bills unless you can trailer the boat home. Winter storage, slip fees, insurance, bottom paint, etc. Sorry, but true, and somehow it's all worth it.
Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stevan Plavsa" <stevanpla...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:36:04 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Another boat Keep looking and don't settle. I got my 32 for 18k, that's right in your ballpark. I was originally looking for 27s and 29s but I didn't find any that were reasonably priced or even in reasonable shape. I went to look at the 32 on a whim because it was the closest boat to me, and a broker boat no less .. something I'de been avoiding up to that point. I had driven to NY to look at boats on the south shore of Lake Ontario, not a complete waste of time because it helped me compare and understand the market better. And you know what? The 32, literally 5 minutes from my house, was easily in way better shape than any of the boats I'de looked at up to that point. I was sold on it instantly. It was more boat than I hoped for and it was in reach. Life is short and I can be pretty impulsive so I made an offer, had it surveyed and bought the boat. I think the PO was happy to get the 18k and I think he was happy to deal with me, we got along great. Some other guy was in line before me but he was a huge hassle for the seller. I lucked out, the PO was a great guy. I don't race so my requirements may be different than yours. My boat is a freshwater boat and it surveyed well. The sails were worn out and I just spent $1600 (shipping in!) all told on a genoa from Rolly Tasker, it's a great sail and an incredible value. The main is still usable and will be for a couple of years yet. Canvas is still good, not great, but doesn't need replacing. .... but I have spent a lot. I've spent money refurbishing the head/tanks/freshwater/wiring/instruments/stereo/solar and the list goes on. A boat that has had that stuff done is worth more, but then, if you do it yourself it's really YOUR boat. My boat is MY boat! I EARNED it because I fixed the shit out of it! Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Knowles Rich < r...@sailpower.ca > wrote: How about having a peek at my LF 38 just to get another picture? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF 38 Halifax NS On 2013-08-01, at 20:27, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" < drbod...@accesswave.ca > wrote: > > Thanks for all the comments. > > Danny - Yes - I'm aware the "good condition" sails and the "year or 2" left > in the canvas are pointing at need for replacement before long. Guy selling > the boat seems pretty straight, so I don't think he's over valuing the sails > and they are totally shot. > As for the Nada value and the price - it is my understanding the NADA value > is US based, boats locally list for a lot more than that. Not much I can do > other than buy a boat in the US and ship/sail it back. As Mike noted - the > cost of that adds up quickly. Rough quote to ship a 30 back from NY was over > $6000 by land. I could have it sailed back for $2000, but I'd still have the > expense of going down to look and having to pay for required repairs at a > unfamiliar yard before it could sail home. > > Bob's example of a good condition 29 for $13500 - plus the cradle ends up > being ~$15500. Then add the cost of getting it home (either I take a week off > work or I pay to have it sailed back) - total $17-18000. He likely has better > sails but the price is pretty close in the end. > > In this case the boat has a pretty good trailer - value of ~ $2000, saving me > the cost of buying a cradle. Another 29-2 for sale locally is listed at > $26000 with racing sails. 30's listed for $22-30000 (at the cheaper end they > are in rough shape, needing new sails and deck work). > > Having looked at this boat I think I'd be happy to get it for $17000 - but I > doubt he'll sell it for that. Maybe I'm off in my value because all the boat > prices are listed so high and the actual selling prices are much lower. > > Stevan - I had my eye on a nice 32 - but it sold (apparently in brilliant > shape and sold for ~$30000). I'd consider anything from a 29 to a 33. Still > trying to keep costs down (total purchase and up-keep) while finding a boat > big enough to enjoy with the kids. 29 is the smallest I think that could > work. When I was on a 33 2weeks ago it seemed huge inside, yet not much more > useable space. > > In the end my local options are limited and the prices are higher than areas > with a lot more population. I could buy cheaper but most seem to need more > work. I could travel, but that adds costs. For a good looking boat that fits > my needs and my eye, I'll pay a bit extra for ease of getting it local, but > don't want to get fleeced. Hopefully I can convince him that my price is > fair, but I expect he'll think I'm low-balling. > > Thanks for the advice > Mark > > > --------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > Bedford Chiropractic > www.bedfordchiro.ca > --------------------- > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > > On 01/08/2013 9:48 AM, Hoyt, Mike wrote: >> It will cost a lot more than 4000 to get the LIS boat to canada. Cradle >> alone is 1500. You will have to ship the 29 by road and that will be >> pricey. The local boat is a serious bargain compared to the US one. >> This is more true if the trailer is road worthy and not junk >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Dr. >> Mark Bodnar >> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:30 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Stus-List Another boat >> >> >> Seriously looking at another boat. Checked out a local C&C 29 mkII on >> Sunday. >> >> http://novascotia.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-C >> -C-29-MK-II-W0QQAdIdZ474384947 >> >> Overall the boat looked good. The paint job on the hull was rough >> (needs a good sanding and new bottom coat). >> >> The boat is on a trailer - which makes it easier to move the 90 min >> drive home, and the trailer allows for easier yard management (assuming >> the hoist can get the boat high enough to put it to bed). >> He reports the sails in "good shape" (but no spinnaker), engine >> supposedly runs well (not in water to test), hull looks good with no >> dimples or dings (although there is some minor damage at the stern where >> >> someone likely backed into a slip too hard), teak and holly sole is a >> bit rough (no mold but finish is beat up), dodger and sail cover >> reported to "have a year or 2 left in them", cushions ok (few years left >> >> in fabric) >> >> The seller is asking $22500. Maybe offer $17000-18000 firm? >> >> (I have had a few emails with a new list member, Bob Dryer, looking to >> sell a C&C 29 II in Long Island sound for $14500 --- but that's a long >> way away, hard to look at the boat plus the cost of getting it back and >> the fact that I'd have to buy a cradle - all together, if I can get a >> local boat for $4000 the price is pretty even) >> >> NADA average value of a 1983 C&C 29 II is $13000 >> ----------------- >> Also - Thinking of looking at a Cal 9.2, 1982, listed at $20000 >> http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-Cal- >> 9-2-Sailboat-Price-Reduced-W0QQAdIdZ493465591 >> (NADA value at $13800) >> Plus another Cal 9.2 listed at $15K (but no pictures). >> >> Any thoughts? I'm not familiar with the Cal boats. Reading online the >> comments are that the Cal is more tender and that the diesel is raw >> water cooled (which can lead to more issues as they age). Overall online >> >> comments are not positive - seems the design may play to the worst parts >> >> of the IOR rules. Also some negative comments about decks etc. >> >> I don't want a poorly behaved boat that I can't manage in gusty winds or >> >> something that will ruin sailing for the kids --- maybe I'm answering my >> >> own thoughts on the Cal? Can't say I like the way the pinched rear end >> looks either! >> >> Any thoughts appreciated, >> Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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