At 09:50 AM 9/22/99 -0400, Karl wrote:
>      My coupe has a Stromberg so this may not be much of an issue.
However
>here is my reasoning. If you have carb heat on when you enter the
pattern,
>and on downwind, it has already melted any ice that has formed and if not
>it surely will not do much for you on final approach.

It may keep new ice from forming. Carb heat is a preventative measure as
much as it is anything else. (Note: I'm not terribly interested in the odd
counter-example where carb heat has actually CAUSED worse ice by
bringing the throat up to condensing temperature. That's just one of
life's
little jokes). 

The preventative nature of carb heat is why you turn it on when you reduce
power, and keep it on while power is reduced. Since further reductions are
likely to happen on base and final, it stands to reason that it becomes
ever
more necessary. In fact, they told you in ground school that carb heat may
not be effective if you wait until ice is formed to use it.

>With the carb heat on during final, you are already running a little
rich.
>If you have a carb with an accelerator pump, and you go around and add
>power rather fast, you could get a too rich condition and the engine will
>sputter at least.

I was always taught that heat comes off just before or simultaneously
with powering up. Full throttle and carb heat is to be avoided because
of risk of detonation. Cessnas have a nice arrangement where an extended
thumb shoves the carb heat off as the throttle goes forward.

>I have seen accidents caused by this.  So that is why I
>do it.

Agreed. Engines have sputtered when given full throttle and carb heat.
Or failed to put out full power. That's why the heat comes off as a matter
of routine IF and WHEN you open the throttle into the 'green' arc. You
MUST
turn it off when it should be off. But you also MUST turn it on when it
should
be on, and keep it on.

I think you're far more likely to have an accident caused by needing the
engine and finding it iced up due to no carb heat. These little
Continenatals
make ice, they make a lot, and they make it fast. More than one student
150
pilot has ended up in the weeds as a result of a single neglect of carb
heat,
just from abeam the numbers until he decided to go around. 

>It has worked rather well for me for a lot of years. One other item,
>with the carb heat on, it is not going through the air filter so if you
>land on a dusty strip you could ingest whatever dust is kicked up from
the
>landing.  Do you agree?

On that rare occurrance, you might consider shutting off the heat when you
come over the fence and have pretty much decided you are definitely going
to land. On the other hand, during most of the landing regime, any dust 
will remain behind you. It is taxiing where 'kicking up dust' that remains
in
a position to be ingested is really a concern. And I'd prefer a bit of
dust in
the motor to a bit of ice in the carb throat.

So I guess I don't agree. I believe that on a C-series Continental, you
need to
err on the side of keeping the heat on in all situations where the RPMs
are
below the green arc, and in all situations where there is any suspicion
that
carb ice exists, except where the manufacturer has clearly told you that
it
is inappropriate.

Of course, the old-timers who were low-timers when our planes were new
will
fold their arms and tell you that if you HAVE to have any power to make
the
runway
after being abeam the numbers, you're taking your life in your hands by
flying too 
wide a pattern. Unfortunately, the students at N85 seem to fly patterns
halfways
to La Guardia, then land hot and dawdle on the runway. So there is
sometimes
no choice in the matter.

Greg

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