Peter - I regret that my suggestion came across as wanting to "boss people around". I was responding really to this comment earlier in the thread > Because all people who expressed interest expected they are told what > needs to be done where. They did not felt > > comfortable to figure that out on their own.
All I meant was that a solution could be to provide such people with concrete suggestions of what to do first. Of course that can take into account their interests, skill level and available time. I am sure lists of possible contributions can be helpful for them to make a decision and it would make sense to start with that. But the success rate of recruiting using the self-directed approach has been very low. I do not understand why providing the option for more guidance to those who want it is so objectionable. I expect that many people joining a project feel lost and would appreciate getting more direction at first. It would be natural for them to become more independent after making a contribution or two. I hope Keith will express his opinion on this. Francis On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 5:42 PM Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Am 02.06.20 um 00:23 schrieb F Campos Costero: > > I am not sure that this part of the process has to remain as it is. > >> Unfortunately that is not going to change a whole lot. Just as the > >> development effort is self directed so is the Documentation effort and > >> all volunteers are advised of that. > > If we can increase participation in the documentation work by having > > someone to assign tasks to others, that seems like a reasonable change to > > make. I am willing to take on coordinating the assignments if others can > > help create a reasonable list of tasks. To be clear, if someone wants to > be > > self directed, that would be great. If someone feels more comfortable > being > > given a task, having a specific person to contact for help and perhaps > > having a little checking in on progress, I can do that. I have no > training > > in technical writing. I took a quick look at DocBook and it does not seem > > conceptually difficult, so I can try to learn that. If someone can give > me > > a little help at first, I would appreciate it. > > I think there is a miss understanding. I do not believe that we should > > actively assign tasks and boss people around. > > Think of it as a suggestive list of where someone could do something. > > How it is organized, is not important. > > It could be a list on ta wikies discussion side. It can be a tasklist on > Jira, Bugzilla or mwiki, or cwiki. > > The Idea is to have "one" place where people can inform them selfs on > the existing consent. > > Just some Ideas where I tried to describe what we have to do in the > development section: > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=301&projectKey=OPENOFFICE&selectedIssue=OPENOFFICE-76 > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Improvement > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=67633711 > > As you see it is unordered. And I am experimenting a lot. And I am > moving between Jira and Cwiki. > > But I am becoming better in being able to explain people what Issues do > we have where. And what could be an easier task to do and what is more > difficult. > > But I really believe that we should leave the choice what people do to > them. > > > And If you look around what I do is not new. MWiki is full of pages > where people describe what we should do and how. (That is the most > depressing part on the project, because it is all gobe, and give people > a tomb feeling. > > But at the same time you learn so much from their Ideas. If we can > standardize somehow these Ideas, and remove names. I think it would > lower the barrier in getting involved. > > > If you feel this is the right way, I invite you to figure a way. If you > want anything to be done on Jira, just give me a shout. I will create a > document component, and create a kanban board for you. No Problem. > > But you can also use whatever else we have, at our disposal. > > > If you are wondering who I am, I have been a moderator on the user forum > > for about 10 years. > That is really nice. There is so little exchange between the dev mailing > list and the support team. > > > All the best > > > Peter > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
