Don't believe everything you hear.  A couple of years ago when I was
doing packet work, I listened to winlink a lot.  What I heard
convinced me that clients did not listen and that the hidden
transmitter was not only a problem with other stations, but winlink
stations too.  You can't believe how many times I heard a winlink
session be interfered with by another winlink session starting up!  

Do you really think they would consolidate their pmbos to just a few
frequencies with busy detection even if no one interfered with them? 
I don't believe so.  Their users expect "instant" access and would not
be willing to come back periodically to try and initiate a session
should a "busy detector" not allow a session.  As a result, they will
continue to try and gain access to sufficient frequencies to allow one
freq, one pmbo.

Pactor 3's proclivity to increasing its bandwidth anytime during a
session is one of the biggest problems, and will continue to be so
regardless of busy detection or not.  I don't understand how anyone
can expect hams not to initiate sessions within a 3 kHz channel around
ANY pactor signal. Heck, entire sessions may take place in pactor 2
and last for the duration of a band opening.  It seems unreasonable to
claim all that space when it may not even be used.  It's like saying
my use is more important than anybody else's.  

Jim
WA0LYK

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Roger J. Buffington"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rick wrote:
> >
> >  It is important to make two things clear on the busy frequency
> >  detection vis a vis, Winlink 2000:
> >
> >  1) The current main Winlink 2000 developer successfully wrote the
> >  busy dectection program several years ago. I seriously doubt if any
> >  reasonable ham would have found it to be inadequate in preventing
> >  unintentional transmission by an station operating automatically.
> >
> >  2) Long after it was tested, the Winlink 2000 administrator openly
> >  announced that they would not be willing to use such detection
> >  because the frequencies were so busy that the automatic station would
> >  often not be able to have a clear frequency in which to transmit and
> >  would be standing by for long periods of time.
> 
> In other words, they won't exercise the courtesy that everyone else is 
> supposed to and does exercise by listening first.  They just want to 
> knock other users off of a frequency when they want to use it.
> 
> de Roger W6VZV
>


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