On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 12:33 +0000, andy pugh wrote:
> On 7 November 2011 02:26, Kirk Wallace <kwall...@wallacecompany.com> wrote:
> 
> >  I suppose a draw
> > bar is going to be a problem.
> 
> How does your current drawbar work?
> I can imagine thet it might be possible to use the exisiting drawbar
> actuator for the new spindle. Part of the solution might be to hold
> the high-speed spindle in place with the 4 tapped holes in the face
> rather than with the drawbar.

I have an electric draw bar like this one:
http://home.insightbb.com/~joevicar3/cheap_drawbar.htm

It's not very subtle and would make short work of a 20 taper collet.

> There are laminations available with a decent-sized central hole that
> would allow a through-bore motor to be made.
> http://www.gobrushless.com/shop/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=SC+65mmstator
> I think an ISO10 holder could be made to fit at least partly up inside
> that, and you could probably still get at the face mounting bolts.
> However I have not found a drawing which shows them.

http://www.schaublin.ch/catalogues/PO039-042.pdf 

Usually outrunners are wound to get low RPM. I would most likely need as
much speed as possible. Many of the laminations I have seen have odd
numbers of poles so would not work. I do see the above stator has a
number of poles that evenly divides by three, so would work if I wind
six poles in a row. So let's see, 60 RPS = 3600 RPM. Common VFD's go up
to 400 Hz to give around 24,000 RPM. That would do nicely. This would be
a slam dunk if I didn't want the draw bar and went with ER collets,
hmmm.

> An Inrunner might package more easily.
> 
> Rather than a brushless motor, I wonder if gearing up the existing
> spindle is an option. I have seen a centrifugal supercharger drive
> which used friction drive to achieve a large speed increase using only
> a slightly resilient outer drive ring, and slightly-floating-mounted
> planets. These are almost ready-made for the planet job:
> http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/advanced_search_result.php?categories_id=4461&1_10=9205_1&21_210=-1&22_220=9205_22&23_230=9205_23&x=22&y=9&extra_field_filter=1

I found this:
http://www.tormach.com/product_pcnc_acc_speeder.html 

I suppose a smooth belt from the main spindle to an offset idler axle
then a belt back to an on-axis secondary spindle would work, but then
there would be no fancy high-tech electronics involved.


-- 
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html
California, USA


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