On 7/7/2025 4:09 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 6:16 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
/>> It's the recognition that there is a difference between
determined by others thru coercion and determined by ones own
experience/
*OK, but coercion by others ispart of one's experience. So what is the
difference? *
One is external and due to someone else's will and the other is internal
and an expression of your will.
/> Compatibilism holds that in the absence of coercion your
exercise of will is determined by your experience,/
*And in the PRESENCE of coercionthe exercise of your will is STILL
determined by your experience. So what is the difference? *
And it's determined by you blood pressure too. I name three things and
you cut off two of them and complain that the remaining one isn't
sufficiently discriminatory.
> /It's not free in the sense of undetermined, but it's free of
coercion./
*Coercion is just something that stops me from doing what I would
otherwise want to do.I want to walk straight ahead but my perception
that there is a brick wall straight in front of me prevents me from
trying to do that. I want to jump over a mountain but the law of
gravity prevents me from doing that. Nothing you have said makes free
will one bit less dumb. *
OK forget it. If you can't tell coercion from a brick wall I can't help
you. Your sophistry is impenetrable.
Brent
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