On Tue, 8 Jul 2025 at 20:32, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 9:12 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > * >> coercion by others is part of one's experience. So what is the >>> difference? * >> >> > > *> One is external and due to someone else's will* >> > > *Somebody else's will, or somebody else's free will, or somebody else's > compatiblist free will? How can I tell the difference? And if you refuse > to do what somebody wants you to do, if you cause their wish to remain > unfulfilled, does that mean you are also engaging in coercion? * > > > >> *>> And in the PRESENCE of coercion the exercise of your will is STILL >>> determined by your experience. So what is the difference? * >> >> >> *> And it's determined by you blood pressure too.* >> > > *Exactly. The entire idea of "free will" is vacuous, and sticking on the > word "compatiblist" is of no help whatsoever. * > The compatibilist position is that free will is what people with no interest in philosophy mean when they say "he did it of his own free will", and that the libertarian position is due to a misconception. *>> Coercion is just something that stops me from doing what I would >>> otherwise want to do. I want to walk straight ahead but my perception that >>> there is a brick wall straight in front of me prevents me from trying to do >>> that. I want to jump over a mountain but the law of gravity prevents me >>> from doing that. Nothing you have said makes free will one bit less dumb. * >> >> > > *> OK forget it. If you can't tell coercion from a brick wall I can't >> help you. Your sophistry is impenetrable.* >> > > *The word "sophistry" is only used if one cannot think of a logical > rebuttal to what somebody else is saying. * > > *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* > > 7gq > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1%2BSdZrmDGp0W2kUDgD2EoQqPB9xNQ_KXG4WNkJ%3D3tfXQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1%2BSdZrmDGp0W2kUDgD2EoQqPB9xNQ_KXG4WNkJ%3D3tfXQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAH%3D2ypXY37%2B1oMcZP5E9tU%3DuY1E811uP4wnkooog3DkzRwS4JQ%40mail.gmail.com.
