On 7/7/2025 1:41 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 3:57 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
*>> That sounds like plain old determinism to me! *
> /How many times need I explain that it is *compatible* with "plain
old determinism",/
*42.*
/> it's right in the name "compatibilism"?/
*So what exactly does the word "compatibilism" add that the word
"determinism" by itself lax? Whatis the difference between "free will"
and "compatibilist free will"? I see no difference except that one is
a slightly more verbose form of gibberish than the other. *
*>> And it certainly doesn't change the fact that you did what
you did for a reason OR you did NOT do what you did for a
reason. You're either a roulette wheel or a cuckoo clock. Are
you actually claiming that the **compatibilistare saying
something profound and are not just mouthing silly platitudes?! *
/
> Are there no categories in your mind between "profound" and "silly
platitude"? /
*Actually Iwas being too kind in calling free will a platitudebecause
a platitude is a coherent statementand it might even be true, but
"free will" is nothing butgibberish, and the word
"compatibilism"cannot magicallychange that sorry state of affairs. *
/> Compatibilism explains why "free will", as some property you
have, is compatible with determinism. /
*I heard no such explanation,all I heard was you claiming that there
was an explanation but you never specified what that explanation was,
nor has anybody else. *
/> That's the third time I've explained what compatiblism to you. /
*No, that's probably the fifth time you've claimed there is an
explanation, but you've never said what that explanation is. You just
say it's different, you don't say why it's different. *
/> I'm just claiming that I have written what compatibilism means/
*Nope.You have done no such thing. *
> /There's an old joke in which the defendant says "All our actions
are determined, your honor, so I can't be held responsible.The
judge replies, "In that case it is determined that my action is to
sentence you to 18mo in the county jail."/
*That's not a joke, that makes perfect sense!If you are chasing me
with a bloody ax I don't care if you're doing it because you were
unluckily enough to have inherited bad genes, or because you were
unlucky enough to have had a bad childhood, or because you were
unlucky enough to be hit by a high energy cosmic ray that destroyed
some neurons in your brain, all I care about is that you stop and that
law enforcement makes sure that you never do something like that
again. If all your actions are determined then you are _ALWAYS_
responsible for your actions. *
So if, while running from the ax murderer, you accidentally knock a
pedestrian into the street where they are run over and killed, you are
responsible for their death.
Brent
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<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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