On 7/7/2025 10:18 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 at 22:08, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 7:34 AM Bruce Kellett
<[email protected]> wrote:
*>> I've been asking people what they mean by "free will"
since I was thirteen and I have yet to receive an answer
that is both coherent and useful.*
/> So in all that time you have never learnt how to use a
Google search on the word "compatibilism"?/
*To humor you I just asked Google about and itsaid it said
compatibilism"/suggests that our actions can be both caused by
prior events (determinism) and still be considered free/".So just
as I suspected, that definition is neither coherent nor useful. *
It's perfectly coherent. Actions that are determined by one's brain
making a choice that is not coerce can be considered free (free of
coercion) and yet still determined by your internal state.
The word “free” is not incoherent. I’m sure you understand what people
mean when they use it in everyday conversation.
**
**
> /Compatibilist free-will is so called because it's
compatible with determinism. It says you actions are
determined by your perceptions, experience, genetics etc. /
*So saying you have "compatibilist free-will" is just a
euphemism for saying you are deterministic. *
It says when you act out of your own motivations that act is free of
coercion. Which is a subset of all your actions; some of them may be
coerced and so not free.*
*
*C**ompatibilists have not changed my opinion that **"free
will" is best defined as a noise that some people like to make
with their mouth, or as the inability to know what the results
of a calculation will be until the calculation is finished.
Although neither definition is useful, both are at least
coherent.*
What does the inability to know the result of a calculation before it is
finished have to do with wilful acts.
Brent
***John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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