On 7/7/2025 4:05 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 3:21 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
*>> a person either does something for a reason OR HE DOES NOT
do it for a reason, and therefore his actions were
un-reasonable, AKA random.*
/> Taking the first alternative, he does it for a reason and
therefore his actions were reasonable, aka not random./
*OK, then there was a reason, there was a cause for him doing what he
did, and the exactsame thing would be true of the little birdie that
pops out of a cuckoo clock at certain times. *
*>> I have no idea what "free-will", compatibilist or
otherwise, means. *
/> Then you should find out before condemning it./
*Easier said than done! I've been asking people what they mean by
"free will" since I was thirteen and I have yet to receive an answer
that is both coherent and useful.*
> /Compatibilist free-will is so called because it's compatible with
determinism. It says you actions are determined by your
perceptions, experience, genetics etc. /
*So saying you have "compatibilist free-will" is just a euphemism for
saying you are deterministic. *
It's more that /"just"/ deterministic. It's the recognition that there
is a difference between determined by others thru coercion and
determined by ones own experience and genetics as encoded in ones
brain. As Dennett said, "That's all the free will worth having."
*C**ompatibilists have not changed my opinion that **"free will" is
best defined as a noise that some people like to make with their
mouth, or as the inability to know what the results of a calculation
will be until the calculation is finished. Although neither definition
is useful, both are at least coherent.*
You may not like it, but the concept is also important legally in
deciding who is responsible for injuries. So it's not just some
philosophical word game.
Brent
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*John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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