On 7/7/2025 12:06 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 2:22 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
*>> saying you have "compatibilist free-will" is just a
euphemism for saying you are deterministic. *
> /It's more that "just" deterministic. It's the recognition that
there is a difference between determined by others thru coercion
and determined by ones own experience and genetics as encoded in
ones brain. /
*That sounds like plain old determinism to me! *
How many times need I explain that it is *compatible* with "plain old
determinism", it's right in the name *"compatibilism"*?*
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*And it certainly doesn't change the fact that you did what you did
for a reason OR you did NOT do what you did for a reason. You're
either a roulette wheel or a cuckoo clock. Are you actually claiming
that the **compatibilistare saying something profound and are not just
mouthing silly platitudes?! *
Are there no categories in your mind between "profound" and "silly
platitude"? Compatibilism explains why "free will", as some property you
have, is compatible with determinism. Something that was long
contentious among philosophers. That's the third time I've explained
what compatiblism to you. So I don't see why you keep asking what I am
claiming. I'm just claiming that I have written what compatibilism
means and it is compatible but not identical with just determinism.
/> You may not like it, but the concept is also important legally
in deciding who is responsible for injuries. /
*T**he law in certain placesmay claim it's importantbut that doesn't
change the fact that free will isincoherent gibberish, it certainly
wouldn't be the first legal idea that was. *
/> So it's not just some philosophical word game.
/
*Sure sounds like a word game to meand you have provided me no reason
to think otherwise. *
Maybe when you're a defendant in a car accident lawsuit you'll find the
reason to think otherwise. There's an old joke in which the defendant
says "All our actions are determined, your honor, so I can't be held
responsible."
The judge replies, "In that case it is determined that my action is to
sentence you to 18mo in the county jail."
Brent
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