Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 at 22:08, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 7:34 AM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> > wrote: > > * >> I've been asking people what they mean by "free will" since I >>> was thirteen and I have yet to receive an answer that is both coherent and >>> useful.* >>> >> >> *> So in all that time you have never learnt how to use a Google search >> on the word "compatibilism"?* >> > > *To humor you I just asked Google about and it said it said > compatibilism "suggests that our actions can be both caused by prior events > (determinism) and still be considered free". So just as I suspected, that > definition is neither coherent nor useful. * > The word “free” is not incoherent. I’m sure you understand what people mean when they use it in everyday conversation. > > *Compatibilist free-will is so called because it's compatible with >>> determinism. It says you actions are determined by your perceptions, >>> experience, genetics etc. * >>> >> >> *So saying you have "compatibilist free-will" is just a euphemism for >> saying you are deterministic. C**ompatibilists have not changed my >> opinion that **"free will" is best defined as a noise that some people >> like to make with their mouth, or as the inability to know what the results >> of a calculation will be until the calculation is finished. Although >> neither definition is useful, both are at least coherent.* >> > > > *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* > wb6 > qjx > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv09E-2EH28-WrD7YeSMQsn1hjFMOgugS9abODYP%2Bhvv1Q%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv09E-2EH28-WrD7YeSMQsn1hjFMOgugS9abODYP%2Bhvv1Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAH%3D2ypU_E2xK8WMBR7sOMC8y4C3_oX%3DDXz6Z2wQuxt-%3D%3D3Y3CA%40mail.gmail.com.
