On 03 Jul 2015, at 18:46, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
"you" means the guy who rememeber having push on the button in
Helsinki.
OK
> *The* first person experience refers to the unique experience
that he will [ blah blah blah]
STOP RIGHT THERE! Your second sentence contradicts the first!
If "he" means the guys who remember pushing the button in Helsinki
then there are now 2 beings who deserve the title "he", one is in
Moscow and one is in Washington, and there is nothing "unique" about
that.
The first gives a 3p definition of "he", but the second refers to the
1p experience. No contradiction, no ambiguity.
And Bruno, there is no need to give your one and only response to
criticisms like the above, I'll save you the trouble and give it
right now: "you confuse the 1p and the 3p".
Saying it is not grasping it. What is your problem with this answer.
It is pretty obvious for everybody.
>> Out of that grand multitude only one can inherit the grand
title "THE",
> Not at all. All copies will live that unique (the)
experience. The experience is 1-unique, et 3-1 multiple.
>> all the others get the mush less prestigious "a",
> No. "The" refer to each unique experience felt by any copy.
Bruno, I know it's not your first language but in English the
words "a" and "the" have different meanings, one implies
uniqueness and one does not.
But the experience of the Helsinki guy can only be unique from his 1p
perspective. It is not unique from an outsider view.
In Helsinki, comp implies that P("I will see only one unique city") = 1.
> It helps because we have define here the 1p by the content of
the diary. All talk about a unique experience of being in a unique
city.
Maybe that's what Bruno Marchal would write, but if John Clark
were the Helsinki Man the diary would say "I expect John Clark to
see Moscow AND Washington"
Which introduces an ambiguity.
a.- Do you mean by this that John Clark will see Moscow and Washington
in some blurred superposed way, as a unique individual seeing
literarily both city at once?
or
b.- Do you mean that from an objective outsider view, one John Clark
see W (and only W) and one John calrk see M (and only M)?
If you mean a., then you add telepathy to the Turing machine ability.
I do not.
If you mean b., then you see that the best bet on what to expect after
pushing the button, by the JC when in Helsinki, is W or M.
and future events would prove that John Clark's expectation was
correct,
For the 3-1 descriptions, indeed. But you forget all the time that the
question does not bear on the 3p view, but on the 1p-view, lived among
the two 1p-views that this experiment leads to.
Bruno
not that predictions, or even the future in general, have anything
to do with the sense of personal identity.
John K Clark
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