--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <smithybill@> > wrote: > > > > > > I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional > > > syllables are added to the mantra are not as powerful as the basic > > > TM technique. > > > > > > The reason I say this is because in the basic TM technique one is > > > meditating twice daily with the purest, most intense form of a > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > I would disagree. The full dharani, the "chain" of mantra and it's > bija is the most profound > > expression of mantra. One is the seed and one is the "tree". It is > only then that we can > > differentiate and experience the different levels of the mantra > (vyapini, unmana, samana, etc.) > > consciously and under will. Failing that we never completely > transcend the mind but instead > > simply arrive at what appears like a thought-free state. But vrittis > are still present at this > > rudimentary state. This thought-free state can be quite addictive > and people tend to get > > stuck there because of this. It's also important that the initate > has the dhyana-vidhi of the > > devata as that potentializes the ability to actualize the > mantra-shakti and communicate with > > that energy as all-pervasive outside of meditation. > > Well, yes and no, that may be intellectually true but *experientially* > unless the meditator is advanced it can have a slowing down of > transcending per my experience!
It's not an intellectual fact, it IS an experiential one. But you'd have to have a means of comparison and since this is not the type of mantra that is given in TM, you would need to experience a different practice. Mostly you see streamlined teachings being given out by the mass-market meditation vendors. TM epitomizes that approach. You do not always get what you pay for; personal instruction will always be the superior vehicle (but at one time TM might have been a good starter practice). The way TM was instructed years ago will only serve to plumb the grosser levels of mind but the technique is definitely not an unmana technique, i.e. one that goes truly beyond the mind. If that was the case (that TM took you beyond the mind, etc.) you would see people going into very deep absorptions for long periods of time. As far as I am aware, that is not the case. If it was I'm sure they'd advertise it!!! :-) Kala Devi
