Namaskaram Kala Devi,

I'll use a non TM mantra as an example!

Let's say the bija is `Shreem' for the basic TM technique.

Let's say `Om Shreem Namaha' for an advanced technique.

Finally let's say `Om Shreem Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha' for a more 
advanced technique.

>From your experience, am I correct in saying that `Om Shreem Maha 
Lakshmiyei Swaha' would be the most powerful of all 3 meditation 
mantras?

Namaste,

Billy



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <wgm4u@> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <no_reply@> 
wrote:
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" 
<smithybill@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional 
> > > > syllables are added to the mantra are not as powerful as the 
basic 
> > > > TM technique.
> > > > 
> > > > The reason I say this is because in the basic TM technique 
one is 
> > > > meditating twice daily with the purest, most intense form of 
a 
> > > > mantra. 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I would disagree. The full dharani, the "chain" of mantra and 
it's
> > bija is the most profound 
> > > expression of mantra. One is the seed and one is the "tree". 
It is
> > only then that we can 
> > > differentiate and experience the different levels of the mantra
> > (vyapini, unmana, samana, etc.) 
> > > consciously and under will. Failing that we never completely
> > transcend the mind but instead 
> > > simply arrive at what appears like a thought-free state. But 
vrittis
> > are still present at this 
> > > rudimentary state. This thought-free state can be quite 
addictive
> > and people tend to get 
> > > stuck there because of this. It's also important that the 
initate
> > has the dhyana-vidhi of the 
> > > devata as that potentializes the ability to actualize the
> > mantra-shakti and communicate with 
> > > that energy as all-pervasive outside of meditation.
> > 
> > Well, yes and no, that may be intellectually true but 
*experientially*
> >  unless the meditator is advanced it can have a slowing down of
> > transcending per my experience!
> 
> It's not an intellectual fact, it IS an experiential one. 
> 
> But you'd have to have a means of comparison and since this is not 
the type of mantra that 
> is given in TM, you would need to experience a different practice. 
Mostly you see 
> streamlined teachings being given out by the mass-market 
meditation vendors. TM 
> epitomizes that approach. You do not always get what you pay for; 
personal instruction 
> will always be the superior vehicle (but at one time TM might have 
been a good starter 
> practice). The way TM was instructed years ago will only serve to 
plumb the grosser levels 
> of mind but the technique is definitely not an unmana technique, 
i.e. one that goes truly 
> beyond the mind. If that was the case (that TM took you beyond the 
mind, etc.) you would 
> see people going into very deep absorptions for long periods of 
time. As far as I am aware, 
> that is not the case. If it was I'm sure they'd advertise it!!! :-)
> 
> Kala Devi
>


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