Gary -

I agree that in the sense of the stakes being *very very* high, this is not a game. But winning the contest IS about strategy and tactics as much (or more) than it is about representing the will and interests of the citizenry. And I find that deeply sad. In that sense, our elections ARE a game, or maybe more aptly, a contest, when they should be an exercise in discovering "the will of the people".

Marcus -

I think it IS very much about the ideological aspirations of these two candidates supporters, however. I contend that they (we?) are letting these two candidates (re)shape our ideologies unnecessarily and inappropriately. The Man-Child (very apt description) has harnessed (co-opted?) the righteous anger of "populism" to obtain enough following to have a significant chance of becoming president(-elect) of the United States as early as midnight tonight. In the process, he has managed to inject (uncover?) a strongly fascist/racist/misogynist rhetoric into the public discourse (and therefore thought?).

Hillary is less disturbing (to me, though clearly not to the many who have been frothing at the mouth about her) in qualitative as well as quantitative ways. But that doesn't mean she and the machine behind her are not ALSO manipulating the public discourse in unhealthy ways.

Gary and Jill (and the others) may be irrelevant in the sense that neither has a chance of "winning the contest", but I would claim that yet another presumed irrelevant (Bernie Sanders) HAS significantly shaped the discussion and possibly the shape of Hillary's platform and possibly even policy once in office. I also believe that they are reshaping the field itself. Jill has been promoting ranked choice voting for months now... THAT is a significant change to the playing field and one that I claim will help our elections more accurately reflect "the will of the people" rather than distort and manipulate it.

Scarier than Brexit? Definitely to ME, but not so much to my young friends and colleagues from the UK and the EU whose future was abruptly redirected significantly by that decision. In at least one notable (in my life) case, that historic decision has bitterly pitted children against their parents. Anecdotally, that is widespread. At least THAT decision doesn't seem to be as final as our own presidential elections.

My point about holding this moment to be a very special one is that the ambiguity of this moment allows me (us?) to seriously consider things that will become entirely moot tomorrow. If (when) Hillary sweeps, many of us will heave a sigh of relief and begin to try to release the cortisol in our systems and *forget* the spectre of a bigoted/misogynistic/fascist (world D) America. Today, I get to continue to ask myself honestly relevant rather than merely speculative or academic questions about "what would it be like to live in world D?" Tomorrow that will just become a bad taste in my mouth (or the taste of my own foot in my mouth?)

Perhaps we are all deer in the headlights... I choose to stare into them with deliberate awareness rather than in mere stark fear. I *trust* I am standing in the correct lane to not be smeared across the grille... for what it is worth, I DID get smeared across the grille in 2000 and 2004.

Perhaps I should go back and watch the PK Dick inspired series "Man in the High Castle" again?

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle_(TV_series)

- Steve

On 11/8/16 3:25 AM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
Well put. This is not a game.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:

    "The fact that world H and world D are such closely adjacent
    possibles is what I am savoring (in the sense of morbid
    fascination) for roughly the next 24-36 hours. "

    To first order, this isn't about the ideological aspirations of
    one candidate vs. the other (or the completely irrelevant
    others).  It's about choosing between a person who can and has
    managed in relevant circumstances, and a man-child that obviously
    needs to be managed and who obviously draws-from and amplifies the
    worst in people, has many indicators of an authoritarian
    personality, and is a likely target for blackmail and manipulation
    by foreign powers.   The potential upside of this non-contest  is
    that a thinker and policy wonk may sneak through as the winner by
    default.  Even stranger is that it would be historic -- and
    somehow that is almost a footnote. The whole thing is surreal and
    even scarier than Brexit.

    Marcus

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