Jon Scott Stevens wrote:

> > Excuse the phrasing I was attempting to be concise while getting the
> > following point across:  I see this project as potentially being of
> > great benefit to both Jakarta developers and users.  By "business sense"
> > I mean to say that greater collaboration would make it possible for
> > developers to select a Apache-based solution where they might presently
> > have to use proprietary technologies.  This could expand the user base
> > for the projects I mentioned as well as some of the xml.apache.org
> > projects.
> 
> Actually, I personally think that your project is contrary to ASF principles
> in that it allows/encourages people to use proprietary closed source M$
> products. Of course ignoring M$ doesn't make it go away, so I'm sure that
> some people would like to use your product...

Exactly, ignoring M$ doesn't make it go away. I would say the opposite:
there are tons of companies that base their document systems on M$
software and would like to move to a more open world but they simply
can't afford loosing the legacy data, so their managers decide to stick
with M$ stuff.

I would say that an exporting tool would rather do the opposite than
encourage people to use M$ software, would encourage much more those who
already use it to get away from it.

> > Yes I did.  The guidelines lay out how to propose/approve a project,
> > they do not seem to preclude proposing that members/commiters look at
> > the project, comment and consider a possibly supporting a proposal.
> 
> here is the paragraph...
> 
> It is required that at least 2 active developers be actively working on the
> project. 

We have that.

> According to the unratified proposal guidelines, it is preferred
> but not required that at least one PMC member be a Committer to a new
> subproject. Think of this as being similar to bringing a new baby into a
> household. You want to be sure that it will be supported by its parents.

I'm not part of the Jakarta PMC (even if I've been) but I am an ASF
member, which is even a higher status community-wise.
 
> My personal PMC vote is strongly in favor of having a PMC member be a
> committer. While this isn't a requirement from the PMC, it is a requirement
> of my personal PMC vote.

Please, explain why you think my community sponsoring wouldn't be enough
as a warranty for your vote.
 
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