Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 16 June 2024 09:40:57 BST you wrote: >> On Sunday, 16 June 2024 05:55:45 BST Dale wrote: >>> William Kenworthy wrote: >>>> On 16/6/24 07:07, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>>> <SNIP> >>>>> >>>>>> I still don't understand the efi thing. I'm booted up tho. I'm >>>>> happy. >>>>> >>>>>> Now to get temp sensors and stuff to work. I want to keep a eye on >>>>>> temps for a bit. I think the boot media was reporting the wrong >>>>>> info. >>>>>> Even the ambient temp was to high for this cool room. It showed like >>>>>> 100F or something when my A/C is set to 68F or so. Plus, the side is >>>>>> off the case at times. New battle. ;-) >> The side panel should help improve air flow through the case (depending on >> the design). I've seen CPU temperatures on big tower servers with dual >> xeon CPUs going up when the side panel was removed. >>
This is very true of a LOT of cases. This one is so open and the way the fans blow, it doesn't seem to make much difference. I usually only take the side off when I'm looking at something or measuring temps of different things with my IR thing. Some things are warmer than I'd like but they have factory heatsinks. On my current rig tho which has a side fan, one of those large 200mm things, it makes a big difference on both the CPU and the video card. It is truly amazing how much difference that side fan makes even tho it is blowing only a moderate amount of air. With the side on, I think my Cooler Master HAF-932 case cools better than the Fractal. If the Fractal had a side fan, it would win hands down. Thing is, the side is glass so no cutting allowed. >> It used to be the case the thermal paste would dry out and needed replacing >> within 5 years or so. These days the top end thermal paste lasts longer and >> it is much more expensive, but I'm yet to find out how long it lasts. ;-) I agree. I bought a couple syringes of some top dollar thermal grease several years ago, likely with the last build. I have enough to last a really long time. One tube is Arctic Silver I think. Then I bought another brand that is supposed to be even better than the Arctic Silver. I can't recall the name. Some of my tubes have silver in it to some degree. I've never had any of the good ones to dry out. I have had some cheap stuff I use on transistors to dry out tho. It's some pink stuff with no brand on it. No silver either. >>>>> Now, the fun part. I wrote you a little Python program which on >> [snip ...] >> >>> My complaint, the temps sensors is reporting is way higher than my IR >>> thermometer says. Even what I think is the ambient temp is way off. >>> I've googled and others report the same thing. During one compile, I >>> pointed the IR sensor right at the base of the CPU cooler. It may not >>> be as hot as the CPU is but it is closer than anything else. I measured >>> like 80F or something >> That's approximating the TCase, but you're still not close enough to measure >> that temperature. You'd need to delid the CPU for this ... definitely NOT >> recommended. >> >>> while sensors was reporting above 140F or so. >> That's the TjMax and for your 5800X CPU this is comfortably within the TjMax >> temperature of 194°F (90°C): >> >> https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/5000-series/amd-ry >> zen-7-5800x.html#product-specs See below for more info. I thought it had the wrong sensor driver and those temps are just wrong. The BIOS, or whatever it is called nowadays, also shows much lower temps. >>> I >>> can see a little difference but not that much. Besides, for the wattage >>> the CPU uses, the cooler I have is waaaaaay overkill. I think my cooler >>> is rated well above 200 watts. The CPU is around 100 watts, 105 I think >>> or maybe 95. >> 105W - see link above. I thought it was either 5 watts high or low. I wasn't 100% sure. >>> Plus, this room is fairly cold. A/C currently set to >>> 68F. One can dispute the CPU temp I guess but not the ambient temp. If >>> one is off, I suspect both are off. >> Not necessarily - where is the ambient temperature sensor located? >> My current Gigabyte has one on the mobo somewhere. I never have found it tho. With the side off and a large fan blowing on it, it gets real close to room temp. With the side on, it does warm up a little, likely just because of the way the air flows around in there and some warm components around it. I'm not real sure on this ASUS but I've never seen a mobo without a ambient temp sensor. I've read the BIOS uses it to help determine the speed of the case fans if they are connected to the mobo. I think my front fan and top fan is connected to the mobo on current rig and when it warms up inside, even if the CPU isn't that warm, the front fan and top fan speeds up. I sometimes turn the A/C off and forget. When I do that, the mobo controlled case fans spins up even tho the CPU is idle. It seems to like 85F or so. The side fan is connected to the power supply directly and runs full speed all the time. Very quiet tho. >>> Oh, the CPU fan isn't spinning fast >>> either. I'd guess it isn't even running at half speed even when >>> compiling and htop shows all cores/threads at the max. >> Your UEFI (BIOS) menu should have settings for tweaking the fans and >> changing their cooling profile to make them quieter, or spin them up >> sooner. Start with default settings and tune it up/down from there to >> match your needs. > Take a look at the CPU Thermal Expectations in this article: > > https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-views-ryzen-5000-cpu-temperatures-up-to-95c-as-typical-and-by-design/ I mentioned I found the correct drivers for the CPU and other temps sensors but needed to reboot. I rebooted and now I have all sorts of temp and fan info. I'll post it below. The temps now are more to my liking and seem to match real close to what I see in the BIOS when idle. I do wish the BIOS would let me switch to F tho. Anyway, CPU at idle seems to be below 80F. That's good enough. It does get warm, or says it is anyway, when I run stress on it. I ran it for about 4 minutes and it got up to "Tccd1: +180.0°F" which I'd rather be a good bit cooler. I know, the CPU can handle it but it can handle 130F or 140F better. ;-) I got to read up on the fan control part of the BIOS thingy. Do they still call it BIOS? I've got everything installed OS wise. I went down the world file on my current rig and installed the things I know I use. It is a good bit faster than current rig. I'm sure the original rig I planned to buy would be faster but this mobo has options it didn't have. The one thing I don't like, the memory sticks have lights on them. I'd rather the mobo have a light for power applied, powered up, errors and such as that. I don't need lights on the memory sticks. :/ The sensor info is below. Notice how cool the m.2 stick is? I think that is what that temp is. LOL I don't think heat will ever bother it. :-D Dale :-) :-) Gentoo-1 ~ # sensors -f k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter Tctl: +76.1°F Tccd1: +72.5°F nouveau-pci-0700 Adapter: PCI adapter GPU core: 900.00 mV (min = +0.78 V, max = +1.16 V) fan1: 2370 RPM temp1: +104.0°F (high = +203.0°F, hyst = +37.4°F) (crit = +221.0°F, hyst = +41.0°F) (emerg = +275.0°F, hyst = +41.0°F) nct6798-isa-0290 Adapter: ISA adapter in0: 240.00 mV (min = +0.00 V, max = +1.74 V) in1: 1000.00 mV (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in2: 3.41 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in3: 3.31 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in4: 1.01 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in5: 976.00 mV (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) in6: 216.00 mV (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in7: 3.39 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in8: 3.30 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in9: 1.82 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in10: 736.00 mV (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in11: 2.05 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in12: 1.04 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in13: 280.00 mV (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in14: 200.00 mV (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM fan1: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM) fan2: 458 RPM (min = 0 RPM) fan3: 652 RPM (min = 0 RPM) fan6: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM) fan7: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM) SYSTIN: +80.6°F (high = +176.0°F, hyst = +167.0°F) (crit = +257.0°F) sensor = thermistor CPUTIN: +77.9°F (high = +176.0°F, hyst = +167.0°F) (crit = +257.0°F) sensor = thermistor AUXTIN0: +199.4°F (high = +176.0°F, hyst = +167.0°F) ALARM (crit = +257.0°F) sensor = thermistor AUXTIN1: +104.0°F (high = +176.0°F, hyst = +167.0°F) (crit = +212.0°F) sensor = thermistor AUXTIN2: -79.6°F (high = +176.0°F, hyst = +167.0°F) (crit = +212.0°F) sensor = thermistor AUXTIN3: +183.2°F (high = +176.0°F, hyst = +167.0°F) ALARM (crit = +212.0°F) sensor = thermistor AUXTIN4: +80.6°F (high = +176.0°F, hyst = +167.0°F) (crit = +212.0°F) PECI Agent 0 Calibration: +77.0°F (high = +176.0°F, hyst = +167.0°F) PCH_CHIP_CPU_MAX_TEMP: +32.0°F PCH_CHIP_TEMP: +32.0°F PCH_CPU_TEMP: +32.0°F PCH_MCH_TEMP: +32.0°F TSI0_TEMP: +76.1°F intrusion0: ALARM intrusion1: OK beep_enable: disabled nvme-pci-0100 Adapter: PCI adapter Composite: +91.1°F (low = -459.7°F, high = +184.7°F) (crit = +184.7°F) Sensor 1: +103.7°F (low = -459.7°F, high = +117503.3°F) Sensor 2: +91.1°F (low = -459.7°F, high = +117503.3°F) Gentoo-1 ~ #
