Technically you still break the rules because the rule talks about misrepresenting gameplay on the server ie no gravity, all crits, fast respawns not reported correctly in sv_tags.
The only real reason to even need those plugins is to violate the policy otherwise it iss so simple to add mp_respawnwatimes "3" to a map config and then the reporting is handled for you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ics" <i...@ics-base.net> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:29:31 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? It's failrly easy. If you enable that plugin that breaks the rules, you disable quickplay traffic with cvar tf_server_identity_disable_quickplay 1. In that case, you do not break the rules. How can you expect Valve to save you if the plugin creators are ignorant of their rules. What you are asking for isn't going to happen. You need to be self-aware about these things and set the tags yourself if you use these plugins that do not set the appropriate tags. -ics 31.7.2012 22:25, E. Olsen kirjoitti: The point is - that's impossible to do fairly. We DO run that plugin, but on the maps where it is disabled (i.e. "sm_respawn_time_enabled "0") that plugin is technically still RUNNING, but since fast respawn is disabled, the sv_tag is not set. See my point - you can't just poll a bunch of servers running a plugin and ban them outright, as the plugin may be running but disabled for that particular map (which would therefore not require the "respawntimes" tag to be set). Actually, this whole argument would be a moot point if Valve could just implement settings in the engine itself that allows us the same functionality of the fast respawn plugins, and automatically sets the proper tag if/when they are modified (I think this would be the optimal solution). That way - server operators that want/need fast respawn times on certain maps/servers could transition away from using plugins all together, and Valve could implement allow a couple of months for server operators to change their servers over to the new system, after which fast respawn plugins could be outlawed all together ;-) On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:15 PM, ics < i...@ics-base.net > wrote: I think that these plugins that Todd posted are really breaking the rules of quickplay and the owners should be punished accordingly. They might not do it willingly, might have just grabbed a plugin and now know about the rules of quickplay. Then again, if they registered their servers to receive traffic, they will know about the rules too. So, there should be made a check which of these servers that use these 2 plugins are using it as is, without setting the tag. Those plugins do not set the tag and they have been disproved for it. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
