I realized as much. However, that's one way for IBM to build a bridge. zSMB or something. Instead of leaving no option but to get out-of-support older machines (and h/w support from other companies), or getting more MSUs and such... IBM could instead sell software-only small machine. Comparing Mac Pro to a full-on z15, IBM could offer a Mac mini or Macbook Air. Business class model will be more like MacBook Pro or something.
- KB ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Sunday, July 25th, 2021 at 10:24 AM, Brian Westerman <brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote: > Unfortunately, you can't run a production system on a zPDT, it's not allowed > under the agreement with IBM. > > On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 05:41:56 +0000, kekronbekron kekronbek...@protonmail.com > wrote: > > > And therein begins a new line where some company offers services to move > > small machine workloads to zPDT. > > > > Or whatever... > > > > - KB > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > On Saturday, July 24th, 2021 at 9:51 AM, Brian Westerman > > brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com wrote: > > > > > Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a small > > > processor (single CPU) like a low end single CPU z/13, z14 or z15? Most > > > likely you didn't and that's very sad. A good percentage of "new" clients > > > that IBM has added over the past 5 to 8 years are in that boat and IBM > > > has decided to set sail without them. > > > > > > I have no doubt that the early customers represented vast swaths of > > > geographies and industries, but how low did you guys dip to test with a > > > "small" site. The ones IBM called strategic so that they would not go to > > > Open Systems and instead go with a small box and z/OS? > > > > > > It's very disappointing. Not all of the people IBM is ignoring have > > > access to large and small boxes like I do, if you have a small box and > > > want to upgrade after January to 2.5 from say 2.3, they will not be able > > > to do it without beefing up their machine or coming to someone like us to > > > do it for them. I'm not complaining about the business that IBM is > > > pushing my way, but I think it's sad that IBM appears to care very little > > > about the damage (via frustration) they are about to do. Some will buy an > > > upgraded box, but many will simply drop their mainframe path in favor of > > > some other direction (away from z/OS). > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:24:10 -0500, Marna WALLE mwa...@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > > Brian, > > > > > > > > > > Some of the problem here is that you are telling me what "will" be > > > > > > there, but I don't have anything that actually shows that or even > > > > > > implies it for z/OSMF for z/OS. I don't even have the workflows to > > > > > > verify anything. > > > > > > > > For the z/OS Workflows that you haven't seen yet, they are Workflow > > > > steps that are submitting the same JCL jobs that you used to submit > > > > through the ISPF interface and should be familiar with today. Meaning, > > > > instead of using an ISPF panel to submit the job, you will now submit > > > > those same jobs from the z/OSMF Workflow interface. That is the > > > > difference. The jobs remain the same, in probably 99.99% of the cases. > > > > They are being converted from ISPF JCL skeletons (SCPPSENU) to z/OSMF > > > > Workflow JCL templates (XML). So yes, you haven't seen them in their > > > > XML format, but you certainly have seen them when they were JCL > > > > skeletons. And remember, every single Workflow step JCL that is > > > > submitted is able to be edited from z/OSMF, just like it was with the > > > > CustomPac dialog. > > > > > > > > Might there be a conversion error to XML? Yes, of course that is > > > > possible. But that is why we have my second comment below... > > > > > > > > > > People won't have much time between Late September and January to > > > > > > discover and correct all of the bugs. > > > > > > > > For each z/OS new release, and V2.5 more than ever, there are early > > > > customer programs. The release level early program for z/OS V2.5 has > > > > its main focus on the installation of and upgrade to z/OS V2.5. We > > > > understood that the installation process would be different and wanted > > > > as much exposure, testing, and validation in customer environments > > > > before it GAs. We have early customers that represent many different > > > > industries and geographies. Each of these customers has installed with > > > > a z/OS V2.5 z/OSMF ServerPac. Not a single one of them used the old > > > > ISPF ServerPac. > > > > > > > > -Marna WALLE > > > > > > > > z/OS System Install and Upgrade > > > > > > > > IBM Poughkeepsie > > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
