You can rent an account on a dallas (or other) center machine and run real production.
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 12:50 AM kekronbekron <000002dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I realized as much. > However, that's one way for IBM to build a bridge. > zSMB or something. > Instead of leaving no option but to get out-of-support older machines (and > h/w support from other companies), or getting more MSUs and such... > IBM could instead sell software-only small machine. > Comparing Mac Pro to a full-on z15, IBM could offer a Mac mini or Macbook Air. > Business class model will be more like MacBook Pro or something. > > - KB > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Sunday, July 25th, 2021 at 10:24 AM, Brian Westerman > <brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com> wrote: > > > Unfortunately, you can't run a production system on a zPDT, it's not > > allowed under the agreement with IBM. > > > > On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 05:41:56 +0000, kekronbekron > > kekronbek...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > > > And therein begins a new line where some company offers services to move > > > small machine workloads to zPDT. > > > > > > Or whatever... > > > > > > - KB > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > > > On Saturday, July 24th, 2021 at 9:51 AM, Brian Westerman > > > brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com wrote: > > > > > > > Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a small > > > > processor (single CPU) like a low end single CPU z/13, z14 or z15? Most > > > > likely you didn't and that's very sad. A good percentage of "new" > > > > clients that IBM has added over the past 5 to 8 years are in that boat > > > > and IBM has decided to set sail without them. > > > > > > > > I have no doubt that the early customers represented vast swaths of > > > > geographies and industries, but how low did you guys dip to test with a > > > > "small" site. The ones IBM called strategic so that they would not go > > > > to Open Systems and instead go with a small box and z/OS? > > > > > > > > It's very disappointing. Not all of the people IBM is ignoring have > > > > access to large and small boxes like I do, if you have a small box and > > > > want to upgrade after January to 2.5 from say 2.3, they will not be > > > > able to do it without beefing up their machine or coming to someone > > > > like us to do it for them. I'm not complaining about the business that > > > > IBM is pushing my way, but I think it's sad that IBM appears to care > > > > very little about the damage (via frustration) they are about to do. > > > > Some will buy an upgraded box, but many will simply drop their > > > > mainframe path in favor of some other direction (away from z/OS). > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:24:10 -0500, Marna WALLE mwa...@us.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Brian, > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the problem here is that you are telling me what "will" > > > > > > > be there, but I don't have anything that actually shows that or > > > > > > > even implies it for z/OSMF for z/OS. I don't even have the > > > > > > > workflows to verify anything. > > > > > > > > > > For the z/OS Workflows that you haven't seen yet, they are Workflow > > > > > steps that are submitting the same JCL jobs that you used to submit > > > > > through the ISPF interface and should be familiar with today. > > > > > Meaning, instead of using an ISPF panel to submit the job, you will > > > > > now submit those same jobs from the z/OSMF Workflow interface. That > > > > > is the difference. The jobs remain the same, in probably 99.99% of > > > > > the cases. They are being converted from ISPF JCL skeletons > > > > > (SCPPSENU) to z/OSMF Workflow JCL templates (XML). So yes, you > > > > > haven't seen them in their XML format, but you certainly have seen > > > > > them when they were JCL skeletons. And remember, every single > > > > > Workflow step JCL that is submitted is able to be edited from z/OSMF, > > > > > just like it was with the CustomPac dialog. > > > > > > > > > > Might there be a conversion error to XML? Yes, of course that is > > > > > possible. But that is why we have my second comment below... > > > > > > > > > > > > People won't have much time between Late September and January to > > > > > > > discover and correct all of the bugs. > > > > > > > > > > For each z/OS new release, and V2.5 more than ever, there are early > > > > > customer programs. The release level early program for z/OS V2.5 has > > > > > its main focus on the installation of and upgrade to z/OS V2.5. We > > > > > understood that the installation process would be different and > > > > > wanted as much exposure, testing, and validation in customer > > > > > environments before it GAs. We have early customers that represent > > > > > many different industries and geographies. Each of these customers > > > > > has installed with a z/OS V2.5 z/OSMF ServerPac. Not a single one of > > > > > them used the old ISPF ServerPac. > > > > > > > > > > -Marna WALLE > > > > > > > > > > z/OS System Install and Upgrade > > > > > > > > > > IBM Poughkeepsie > > > > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
