[Default] On 23 Jul 2021 21:21:19 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com (Brian Westerman) wrote:
>Did you think to have even ONE of those early sites be one with a small >processor (single CPU) like a low end single CPU z/13, z14 or z15? Most >likely you didn't and that's very sad. A good percentage of "new" clients >that IBM has added over the past 5 to 8 years are in that boat and IBM has >decided to set sail without them. In addition to the resource use by z/OSMF, at the last SHARE Tom Ross reported that the current COBOL compile takes significantly more resources. Since IBM is moving to common compiler backends, has this become a problem for small shops? Clark Morris > >I have no doubt that the early customers represented vast swaths of >geographies and industries, but how low did you guys dip to test with a >"small" site. The ones IBM called strategic so that they would not go to Open >Systems and instead go with a small box and z/OS? > >It's very disappointing. Not all of the people IBM is ignoring have access to >large and small boxes like I do, if you have a small box and want to upgrade >after January to 2.5 from say 2.3, they will not be able to do it without >beefing up their machine or coming to someone like us to do it for them. I'm >not complaining about the business that IBM is pushing my way, but I think >it's sad that IBM appears to care very little about the damage (via >frustration) they are about to do. Some will buy an upgraded box, but many >will simply drop their mainframe path in favor of some other direction (away >from z/OS). > >Brian > > >On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:24:10 -0500, Marna WALLE <mwa...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > >>Brian, >>>> Some of the problem here is that you are telling me what "will" be there, >>>> but I don't have anything that actually shows that or even implies it for >>>> z/OSMF for z/OS. I don't even have the workflows to verify anything. >> >>For the z/OS Workflows that you haven't seen yet, they are Workflow steps >>that are submitting the same JCL jobs that you used to submit through the >>ISPF interface and should be familiar with today. Meaning, instead of using >>an ISPF panel to submit the job, you will now submit those same jobs from the >>z/OSMF Workflow interface. That is the difference. The jobs remain the same, >>in probably 99.99% of the cases. They are being converted from ISPF JCL >>skeletons (SCPPSENU) to z/OSMF Workflow JCL templates (XML). So yes, you >>haven't seen them in their XML format, but you certainly have seen them when >>they were JCL skeletons. And remember, every single Workflow step JCL that >>is submitted is able to be edited from z/OSMF, just like it was with the >>CustomPac dialog. >> >>Might there be a conversion error to XML? Yes, of course that is possible. >>But that is why we have my second comment below... >> >> >>>> People won't have much time between Late September and January to discover >>>> and correct all of the bugs. >> >>For each z/OS new release, and V2.5 more than ever, there are early customer >>programs. The release level early program for z/OS V2.5 has its main focus >>on the installation of and upgrade to z/OS V2.5. We understood that the >>installation process would be different and wanted as much exposure, testing, >>and validation in customer environments before it GAs. We have early >>customers that represent many different industries and geographies. Each of >>these customers has installed with a z/OS V2.5 z/OSMF ServerPac. Not a >>single one of them used the old ISPF ServerPac. >> >>-Marna WALLE >>z/OS System Install and Upgrade >>IBM Poughkeepsie >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
