Julien,

I guess the point is that some cases and deployment, secuirty is not required 
to be used.
However, if you are making a product and you do not include security as part of 
the solution,
than IPSec then you have  a problem.

John

>Fine with this
>
>The important point as Kevin Kargel mentions is that there ARE 
>use cases where security is not required and/or end-to-end 
>security is not required and/or IPSec is not required.
>
>Julien
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bound, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: mardi 26 février 2008 13:24
>To: Julien Abeille (jabeille); Thomas Narten
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org; Fred Baker (fred)
>Subject: RE: Making IPsec *not* mandatory in Node Requirement
>
>On the contrary some of the laser sensing capabilities now 
>could be considered light so I guess it is what we mean by 
>"light" technically or from a physics/scientific view I took 
>it to be light controlled by sensors.
>
>/jim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julien Abeille (jabeille) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:18 PM
>> To: Thomas Narten
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bound, Jim; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org; Fred Baker (fred)
>> Subject: RE: Making IPsec *not* mandatory in Node Requirement
>>
>> A sensor can only sense..., you are talking about a light actuator.
>>
>> Julien
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Narten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: mardi 26 février 2008 12:00
>> To: Julien Abeille (jabeille)
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ipv6@ietf.org; Fred Baker
>> (fred)
>> Subject: Re: Making IPsec *not* mandatory in Node Requirement
>>
>> > - some applications might not require any security, e.g. a light 
>> > sensor = in your flat might not need it and not implement
>> it, also due
>> > to the = very low cost of the sensor.
>>
>> I agree. There is absolutely no need to prevent my neighbor 
>(or a bad 
>> guy outside my window) from being able to control/influence light 
>> sensors in my house. What possible harm could they do?
>>
>> Who needs security anyway!
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Thomas
>>
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