O k mr. ford,
Once you turn "off" the virtual cursor in config Manager and you sail
through your e-mail messages or whatever--so far so good. But, my
friend, when you decide you want the features of the virtual
cursor--and--you turn it on for some short-term specific usage--you have
set up the situation when and where the problems can start "all over
again"!! At *that point* unfortunately--against my preference--I must
again "try to" turn "off" the virtual cursor or Outlook Express and JAWS
do not get along. One can have "the JAWS going crazy" thing happen so
easily. When I asked the question on the other list, I was shocked at how
many others there were with same problem. And then some one on the j f w
list duplicated the problem in Netscape; others in Outlook Express.
Sir, my wish would be to *never* have to turn off virtual cursor and to
have its advanatages--at my beckand call--when I "want" like all the time.
Now that there is a beta--it is the time to raise these issues--as in NOW!
>From what I hear, people having problems with "JAWS going crazy with v
cursor on inOutlook Express" have made our problems known to HJ.
But until there is a solution--we must *either go without* or try to get
"insert z" to keep the darn thing "off".
Remember--what I said above--once "off" in Config--you turn it back
"on"--so then "How do you again get it to stick or stay "off"?
Sure getting it on again is not hard; keeping it "off" so the computer
works and JAWS does not misread and "go crazy" is the acid test.
Perhaps some one knows of a good new Year's sale for *mallets* for
killing/bashing computers?
Anyhow, thanks for your perseverence, patience, good will and desire to
help. Happy Holidays.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: no more top and bottom of window message?
> You are missing me. You do not lose the Virtual cursor. By turning it
off
> in Config manager, all that is required is one keystroke, that's one and
> only one, namely insert-z to gain the functionality it affords. Any time
> you press that keystroke, the Virtual cursor will turn on. It will turn
> off whenever you switch out of and back into Outlook Express or most
likely
> when it is currently turning off or whatever you say is happening.
>
> I don't know how to explain this any differently. At present all the
> config files have the Virtual cursor turned on. It is the equivalent of
> walking into a house and finding that the builder has left a stereo on
> because he believes you'll enjoy the benefits provided by the music. When
> you want the stereo (equivalent to the V-cursor) off, you tap Insert-z.
>
> What I hear you saying is that finding the house with the stereo always on
> until you ask to turn it off is causing you problems. All I'm suggesting
> is that you alter the default and have the stereo turned off until you
> specifically ask for it on. I'm not saying you'll lose all this
> functionality. Quite frankly on Sundays I take 20 seconds, turn off the
> v-cursor by default and browse over to http://www.nfl.com where I read
game
> updates. I leave the v-cursor off because the page is reloading about
> every 30 seconds and I've found it is faster to read the areas I want with
> the Jaws cursor. But when I want to read something else on the web, it is
> a single insert-z and zippity-zap the v-cursor is back on by default.
>
> I'm dearly sorry if you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. To repeat,
> turning off the Virtual PC cursor in config manager does not, that's a
> *huge DOES NOT, mean you have lost the ability to use it. It simply and
> only means you must specifically request to use the feature with one,
> that's one as in single, keystroke of insert-z.
>
> Kelly
>
> At 09:33 PM 12/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >O k. you have won on the firstp oint. What i said badly--of course--
was
> >the Netscape users had problems "with JAWs going crazy" just as
> >Outlook express users using virtual cursor had similar problmes.
those
> >problems occurred when deleting messages in a long list of messages in
> >either program and involved one huge loss of focus problem. In my case,
I
> >could avoid said massive problems by tryping to keep the virtual cursor
> >turned "off". but to return to my point means that I and others miss out
on
> >all those nice benefits ofthe virtual cursor--which can comei n handy.
So
> >we face a rotten choice.
> >We can (1) have a nice stable experience using Outlook Express without
> >losing our work when system crashes when JAWS misreads multiple
subject
> >lines (JAWS going crazy) or (2) never use the virtual cursor--even
> >when such usage would help us out. so if we get a "whim" or "on the
fly"
> >wish to suddenly make use of the virtual cursor--"we made our choice
ahead
> >of time when **we turned it off in config Manager.
> >So that means we lose out on both accounts.
> >That is why a toggle switch would let me cruise through the e-mail
messages
> >without having something in the m s a a or in JAWS lock my system or
> >misread or double read subject lines--and then-- "when I want to--I would
> >have the freedom to choose to use the virtual cursor. In the current
> >circumstance, since "having JAWS go crazy" and misread those subject
lines
> >is such a horrible experience--I am forced to have my choice taken away
from
> >me---I must "go without" the virtual cursor and its benefits.
> >That is the choice I face.
> >Sir, your comments are well taken and always brilliant.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Kelly Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 4:15 PM
> >Subject: Re: no more top and bottom of window message?
> >
> >
> > > What the heck are you talking about that the virtual cursor comes on
in
> > > Netscape. That comes about to as close to an impossibility as I've
heard
> > > in a while. Netscape has no support for the technology used to make
the
> > > Virtual PC cursor work so it will never be on in that program.
Hitting
> > > insert-z if Netscape is running will announce things like it is being
> > > toggled but you can press the PC cursor as often as you like in
Netscape
> > > and it will likely never say Virtual PC cursor.
> > >
> > > Until or if HJ has a better idea on this, I'd strongly suggest
entering
> >the
> > > config manager for the programs where you are unhappy with current
> > > behavior. Turn the Virtual PC Cursor off there and turn it on only
when
> > > you want to use it with Insert-z.
> > >
> > > I say this not to dismiss what you are asking for. But to give
solutions
> > > today to what you seem to be saying is a major problem for you.
> > >
> > > A good script writer, of which I don't lay claim to be, could probably
> > > create a script to store the Virtual PC cursor setting in a variable
and
> > > have that variable checked when an application was alt-tabbed into and
out
> > > of and honor the setting. This would work similar to what HJ already
does
> > > when you first launch an application and hear the introductory
messages
> >but
> > > as you switch in and out of the program don't hear them repeated. I
tried
> > > to create such a script but my ability to express in words what should
> > > happen is a bit better than my ability to use the script features to
their
> > > fullest advantage at this time.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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