Within outlook express do you have the preview pane turned on? I have it
turned off and do not experience any of the v cursor problems in outlook
express.
Randy Stegall
Raleigh, NC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tusing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 1999 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: no more top and bottom of window message?
> O k mr. ford,
> Once you turn "off" the virtual cursor in config Manager and you sail
> through your e-mail messages or whatever--so far so good. But, my
> friend, when you decide you want the features of the virtual
> cursor--and--you turn it on for some short-term specific usage--you have
> set up the situation when and where the problems can start "all over
> again"!! At *that point* unfortunately--against my preference--I must
> again "try to" turn "off" the virtual cursor or Outlook Express and
JAWS
> do not get along. One can have "the JAWS going crazy" thing happen so
> easily. When I asked the question on the other list, I was shocked at
how
> many others there were with same problem. And then some one on the j f w
> list duplicated the problem in Netscape; others in Outlook Express.
> Sir, my wish would be to *never* have to turn off virtual cursor and to
> have its advanatages--at my beckand call--when I "want" like all the
time.
> Now that there is a beta--it is the time to raise these issues--as in
NOW!
> From what I hear, people having problems with "JAWS going crazy with v
> cursor on inOutlook Express" have made our problems known to HJ.
> But until there is a solution--we must *either go without* or try to
get
> "insert z" to keep the darn thing "off".
> Remember--what I said above--once "off" in Config--you turn it back
> "on"--so then "How do you again get it to stick or stay "off"?
> Sure getting it on again is not hard; keeping it "off" so the computer
> works and JAWS does not misread and "go crazy" is the acid test.
> Perhaps some one knows of a good new Year's sale for *mallets* for
> killing/bashing computers?
> Anyhow, thanks for your perseverence, patience, good will and desire to
> help. Happy Holidays.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelly Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 11:02 PM
> Subject: Re: no more top and bottom of window message?
>
>
> > You are missing me. You do not lose the Virtual cursor. By turning it
> off
> > in Config manager, all that is required is one keystroke, that's one and
> > only one, namely insert-z to gain the functionality it affords. Any
time
> > you press that keystroke, the Virtual cursor will turn on. It will turn
> > off whenever you switch out of and back into Outlook Express or most
> likely
> > when it is currently turning off or whatever you say is happening.
> >
> > I don't know how to explain this any differently. At present all the
> > config files have the Virtual cursor turned on. It is the equivalent of
> > walking into a house and finding that the builder has left a stereo on
> > because he believes you'll enjoy the benefits provided by the music.
When
> > you want the stereo (equivalent to the V-cursor) off, you tap Insert-z.
> >
> > What I hear you saying is that finding the house with the stereo always
on
> > until you ask to turn it off is causing you problems. All I'm
suggesting
> > is that you alter the default and have the stereo turned off until you
> > specifically ask for it on. I'm not saying you'll lose all this
> > functionality. Quite frankly on Sundays I take 20 seconds, turn off the
> > v-cursor by default and browse over to http://www.nfl.com where I read
> game
> > updates. I leave the v-cursor off because the page is reloading about
> > every 30 seconds and I've found it is faster to read the areas I want
with
> > the Jaws cursor. But when I want to read something else on the web, it
is
> > a single insert-z and zippity-zap the v-cursor is back on by default.
> >
> > I'm dearly sorry if you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. To
repeat,
> > turning off the Virtual PC cursor in config manager does not, that's a
> > *huge DOES NOT, mean you have lost the ability to use it. It simply and
> > only means you must specifically request to use the feature with one,
> > that's one as in single, keystroke of insert-z.
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> > At 09:33 PM 12/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > >O k. you have won on the firstp oint. What i said badly--of course--
> was
> > >the Netscape users had problems "with JAWs going crazy" just as
> > >Outlook express users using virtual cursor had similar problmes.
> those
> > >problems occurred when deleting messages in a long list of messages in
> > >either program and involved one huge loss of focus problem. In my case,
> I
> > >could avoid said massive problems by tryping to keep the virtual cursor
> > >turned "off". but to return to my point means that I and others miss
out
> on
> > >all those nice benefits ofthe virtual cursor--which can comei n
handy.
> So
> > >we face a rotten choice.
> > >We can (1) have a nice stable experience using Outlook Express
without
> > >losing our work when system crashes when JAWS misreads multiple
> subject
> > >lines (JAWS going crazy) or (2) never use the virtual
cursor--even
> > >when such usage would help us out. so if we get a "whim" or "on the
> fly"
> > >wish to suddenly make use of the virtual cursor--"we made our choice
> ahead
> > >of time when **we turned it off in config Manager.
> > >So that means we lose out on both accounts.
> > >That is why a toggle switch would let me cruise through the e-mail
> messages
> > >without having something in the m s a a or in JAWS lock my system or
> > >misread or double read subject lines--and then-- "when I want to--I
would
> > >have the freedom to choose to use the virtual cursor. In the current
> > >circumstance, since "having JAWS go crazy" and misread those subject
> lines
> > >is such a horrible experience--I am forced to have my choice taken away
> from
> > >me---I must "go without" the virtual cursor and its benefits.
> > >That is the choice I face.
> > >Sir, your comments are well taken and always brilliant.
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Kelly Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 4:15 PM
> > >Subject: Re: no more top and bottom of window message?
> > >
> > >
> > > > What the heck are you talking about that the virtual cursor comes on
> in
> > > > Netscape. That comes about to as close to an impossibility as I've
> heard
> > > > in a while. Netscape has no support for the technology used to make
> the
> > > > Virtual PC cursor work so it will never be on in that program.
> Hitting
> > > > insert-z if Netscape is running will announce things like it is
being
> > > > toggled but you can press the PC cursor as often as you like in
> Netscape
> > > > and it will likely never say Virtual PC cursor.
> > > >
> > > > Until or if HJ has a better idea on this, I'd strongly suggest
> entering
> > >the
> > > > config manager for the programs where you are unhappy with current
> > > > behavior. Turn the Virtual PC Cursor off there and turn it on only
> when
> > > > you want to use it with Insert-z.
> > > >
> > > > I say this not to dismiss what you are asking for. But to give
> solutions
> > > > today to what you seem to be saying is a major problem for you.
> > > >
> > > > A good script writer, of which I don't lay claim to be, could
probably
> > > > create a script to store the Virtual PC cursor setting in a variable
> and
> > > > have that variable checked when an application was alt-tabbed into
and
> out
> > > > of and honor the setting. This would work similar to what HJ
already
> does
> > > > when you first launch an application and hear the introductory
> messages
> > >but
> > > > as you switch in and out of the program don't hear them repeated. I
> tried
> > > > to create such a script but my ability to express in words what
should
> > > > happen is a bit better than my ability to use the script features to
> their
> > > > fullest advantage at this time.
> > > >
> > > >
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