my apologies to anyone who is bothered by text being left on a reply, however, i 
wanted to honour the experiences of the writers in this instance by leaving their 
words right where they are.
i am intrigued by this subject and while reading about grief/dying/death i am 
compelled to share some thoughts written by a Canadian physician, Dr.Robert Buckman on 
grief:
"grief is all about letting go and saying goodbye. losing someone close to us hurts a 
lot. it hurts because of the ties we make with that person.
" those ties are what getting close to someone is all about. generally, we only let a 
few people get that close to us. when we lose them or realize we might lose them, it 
is those ties that cause us pain. grieving normally reduces the hurt". 
"grieving is a continuous process. it is continuous just as the transition a patient 
makes from being healthy to facing the end of life is continuous. As with accepting 
bad news, people in grief go backwards and forwards, as emotions come and go in waves. 
"
some of my thoughts:
coping with grief is a very personal, individual journey. how sad that some of us feel 
so alone when confronting this most painful part of the circle of life. death is 
something that is not often talked about openly in my experience. it is as though 
death is not a part of being alive. as if death is something that happens to everyone 
else, but not 'me'. 
i feel privileged that in my life i was able to travel very closely to my father's 
journey toward his death which took only two weeks from diagnosis to the moment when 
he uttered his last breath in the early hours of the morning.  my youngest brother 
mark stayed with him overnight in answer to a premonition that he was going to die, 
that night. 
i heard the phone ring. the news entered my left ear at 4:30 that thursday morning. 
like a robot,  i got dressed, shaking like a leaf. i was driven to the hospital. we 
ran every red light in our path. i walked toward the hospital. i felt as if i had left 
my body. shock does that. i know about shock. my old friend. it protects me from the 
hurt. from the reality of what i am about to face when i walk into that hospital room 
and see my own father lying there, still. no longer fighting for his life. his body 
has given in. he has stopped moving, complete. his body silent. 
it took me a very long time to believe that he was really gone and yet many times 
before he died, i used to wake in the middle of the night frightened by the very real 
dreams of what his death would feel like. and it felt just like that. like a heavy 
steel door slamming shut and that horrible echo resounding inside my head, again and 
again until finally, one day i noticed it had faded into the distance beyond my 
ability to hear it ever again. 
i miss my dad still, very much so. grief does indeed come and go in waves, oceans of 
waves. 
mags. 
 
 Bree Mcdonough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>What I wanted to see, was: how do 
you REALLY cope with
>grief? When it really keeps hurting without surprise solutions, when you
>don't have a deus ex machine hopping along?

>Grief is a very personal experience. You cannot "see" what grief is like
>on a film. My closest grief experience was on the death of my mother in
>May 2000. her death was unexpected as she was carried away by some
>unexpected recurrence of a medical problem (not cancer) and she died.....
>she just died... 12 days start to finish and she was gone. Its like being
>in a glass tunnel. You are in there shouting and banging the walls that
>"hey! my mother, my poet, my artist, my wonderfully batty and very
>irritable mother has died.. Hey!" bang bang bang on the walls and all the
>time the world just goes on moving past you and you think you wont ever
>re-join the days of other beings. Its like being stuck in treacle and you
>just cannot move for the shock of it.

"I walked a mile with gladness
she chattered all the way
but left me none the wiser
for all she had to say
I walked a mile with sorrow
and ne'er a word said she
But oh, the things I learned from her
when sorrow walked with me"


My sister died suddenly three years ago. She walked into the emergency 
room..and died two hours later. She was young, 47..fit..a marathon runner 
(ran and completed thirty in her life) the brightest star in my life!. 
Yes..loved Joni.( introduced me to Joni..took me to a concert back in 1976) 
Autopsy showed nothing. Getting on that plane and going to California was 
surreal. Why.. I thought, is the world going on? Why are people laughing? 
Why are fucking people laughing?!!! When I would see runners on the street 
sometimes I would have to turn and look away. It hurt too much! She loved 
running so much it was in her blood..her release..why can't she still be out 
there doing her thing? Why?

SO yes..greif is a very personal thing.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

Bree

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