Many of us are working with individuals for whom there are no censi, unless you count the Domesday Book, which is problematic because of several generations of aristocracy having the same name and living at the same time.
If you don't work with mediaeval ancestors and with the historians whose lifework is researching the transfer of estates, the only reliable way to discern ancestry in instances too numerous to mention, you have no idea. Online databases, with several erudite exceptions, are a bunch of -----, their sources being other totally false databases, too many of which are from the LDS, which does not verify sources of their databases. Too many of the databases that ancestry,com uses are no more than compilations of internet databases, meaning they are also totally inreliable. Their latest addition, the Wills from the Prerogative Court of Canterbury ALL have the wrong probate dates, easily determined because they have probate dates that are before the person even died! They don't use double-dating; their transcribers cannot even transcribe correctly when the documents are legible, and ancestry.com doesn't care, so they are NEVER a source. If you do not use the Testamenta Eboracensia, Testamenta Leodiensia, Testamenta Vetusta, Calendar of Close Rolls, Calendar of Fine Rolls, Inquisitions Miscellaneous, Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Calendar of Papal Registers, Calendarium Rotulorum Patentium, and other primary sources; if you do not use the epitome of secondary sources, The Complete Peerage, and follow the corrections that are continually being made to it, you may have no need whatsoever to ever enter more than one source at a time. Fine. But for those of us who have traced our ancestors back, we research thoroughly, and when we find these undisputed sources in agreement, want to enter them. It has been far too long that we have had to enter 5 or more sources INDIVIDUALLY for each event. If you never have a need to do so, you have no obligation to do so. But please, realize that many of us have been IMMENSELY inconvenienced during the time the multiple source clipboard was eliminated. To source one individual has taken often 6+ hours during its absence. There are probably many options you do not use. One of the great things about Legacy has always been that it has many options you may not need, but that others do. This is one of them. CE > From: genea...@gmail.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Clipboards 1 to 5 > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:56:07 +0800 > > CE > Thanks for the list. I'll pass it on to a friend who is back to Medieval > times. > > I agree that sometimes secondary sources are all > you have and you have to rely on the scholarly > work of others. Various medieval scholars > agreeing strengthens the argument. Quite > different from a number of Ancestry trees > agreeing and one being different. I'd give > serious consideration to the different one in > that case unless the others referred to a primary source. > > But I still don't get how I'd use multiple > clipboards. The way I work, I'd explore one > source at a time. I know enough from discussing > things with my friend, that sources like these > often don't agree and even some that do don't > make sense when the dates are looked at closely. > > When I started a branch of my family I had a > number of family trees from family members in > that branch. It was only by entering them one at > a time that I became aware of the differences > between them and was able to even ask the > relevant questions to find the most reliable and > seek primary sources. I recall I fleetingly > thought of using the multiple clipboards but soon > realised it would be far more time consuming for > me to do that. I think that was when I learnt that they all attach together. > > I'm glad it works for you. Different methods do > work for different people because we think differently. > > Regards, > Cathy > > At 12:06 PM 13/01/2014, you wrote: > >Obviously you do not yet have mediaeval > >ancestors in your file, for whom original > >documents are mostly non-existent, confused by > >persons with the same names and title living at > >the same time, and for whom only RELIABLE > >secondary sources are possible. For these MANY > >people, having several of these RELIABLE > >secondary sources agree on the facts is > >essential to surety that the fact is correct, ie: > > > >Altschul, Michael, A Baronial Family in Medieval > >England: The Clares, 1217-1314. Baltimore: John > >Hopkins Press, 1965. Dana Library (Rutgers Newark) CS439.C6285. > > > > > > > >A concurrence of such RELIABLE secondary sources > >os essential to have surety. It is essential to list them ALL. > > > >If you have only one source for an event, that > >is not a problem. But when, to verify events, > >you need have the concurrence of many RELIABLE > >sources, having to enter all of them each time > >is, often literally, a royal pain, and VERY time-consuming. > > > >Oh, yes, you need to make sure that you are > >attaching the correct clipboard. That obtains, > >no matter whether your clipboard contains one or > >five sources. But having to change clipboards 5 > >times for each event for each of dozens of > >people is much more headache-producing than > >having to remember what you have on your clipboard. > > > >This is not a problem for you now, but you may > >yet find mediaeval ancestors, and find this an > >incredible time-saver/boon/welcome return. > > > > > >CE > > > > > > > From: genea...@gmail.com > > > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > > > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Clipboards 1 to 5 > > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:17:28 +0800 > > > > > > I'm among those who haven't found a use for > > > multiple source clipboards. When they existed > > > before I got tired of explaining to people that > > > they all attached at once as so many though only the front tab would. > > > > > > I can't imagine using multiple clipboards in this > > > way either, Michelle. I'd get a massive headache > > > and it would take far longer than doing them one > > > at a time. Different children are at home in > > > different censuses. Either the younger ones > > > aren't born or the older ones have left home. > > > > > > Besides, I would have entered it as the source > > > for relationship when I was entering the details > > > I'd learnt from the census if I was wanting to > > > source the relationship. A lot of my data entry > > > was done before we could source the relationship > > > and I was used to putting this information in for > > > the name of parents and child. Now I tend to only > > > specifically source the relationships for direct > > > line and for people where the relationship has been difficult to find. > > > > > > Any other examples? > > > Like Larry, I can't see any use at all for > > > multiple source clipboards which all attach at > > > once. On the other hand there is value in the > > > Load and Save option to keep some sources quickly > > > and easily accessible, with or without their current detail. > > > > > > Cathy > > > > > > At 09:58 AM 13/01/2014, you wrote: > > > >Here is an example. Let’s say you are going > > > >to use multiple census rs records as a source for > > > >something. You can put them all on the > > > >clipboard and paste them all at once.  An > > > >example of that is using multiple censuses to > > > >show the relationship of the children to the > > > >parents or the marriage of the parents. > > > > > > > >Michele > > > >Technical Support > > > ><mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>mich...@legacyfamilytree.com > > > >www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > > > > > > > >From: Larry Lee [mailto:ldlee...@gmail.com] > > > >Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 7:09 PM > > > >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > > > >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Clipboards 1 to 5 > > > > > > > >CE, > > > > > > > >I am glad to know there is someone who uses this > > > >option and I understand it theoretically but am > > > >having trouble understanding how this works in reality. > > > > > > > >Could you provide a simple example of how you > > > >have 5 or more sources at the same time for any > > > >given piece of information? I really am struggling to grasp this. > > > > > > > >Maybe it would be something I could use if I knew how. > > > > > > > >Larry Lee > > > >ldlee.<mailto:a...@gmail.com>a...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM, CE WOOD > > > ><<mailto:wood...@msn.com>wood...@msn.com> wrote: > > > >It is SO wonderful to have the multiple source > > > >option back! I have SCADS of times when I have > > > >found sources that document an event and have > > > >been SO frustrated at having to enter each > > > >source separately since Legacy removed the > > > >ability to apply multiple sources at the same > > > >time. Too many times, I have had to expend > > > >inordinate amounts of time and effort entering > > > >five (and even more) sources to an event for dozens of individuals! > > > > > > > >When you have multiple source that confirm an > > > >event, it is imperative to have the ability to > > > >enter all the sources at one time. Hours of effort and frustration saved. > > > > > > > >I am SO VERY glad Legacy has restored this much needed function!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > >CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
