Two things. (1) If you bothered to read what I wrote previously (it is in this message again) Bush did what he said he would do and did not do anything he said he would not do wrt the AW ban. That doesn't meet any definition of "lie" that I am aware of. After 8 years of parsing Clinton, "if it gets to my desk, I'll sign it" is a model of clear political speech. For any reasonable person, it doesn't mean "I'll push it through Congress" or "I'll campaign against politicians who vote against it" or "I'll lean on party members to get it done." Your ideological enemies at the Brady Campaign, VPC, etc. were (and are) beside themselves with anger at Bush for "breaking his promise" because he didn't do all of those things that his statement did not mean. In fact, a few of them even accuse the President of secretly telling Congresscritters to make sure the bill didn't reach his desk. Had he done so, it would not have violated his promise to "sign the bill." And, so far as I know, he has not denied that he did so. Therefore, it is quite possible that he actually did lend some small pressure to keep the bill off his desk.
(2) You raised the "Bush lies" as part of a statement about his track record. Usually that means you are referring to "lies" other than any involving the topic at hand. So. I ask again. What lies has Bush told? Lowell C. Savage It's the freedom, stupid! Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly. Travis Pahl wrote: > You are implying he is lying when you say we should not be too certain > that Bush should not be thanked for the bill not being renewed. He > did nothing to stop if from being renewed and in fact said on record > that he would sign it. So if he is to be thanked it is because you > are saying that he really would have vetoed it. > > Travis > > > On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:56:04 -0800, Lowell C. Savage > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Travis Pahl wrote, in part: > > > > > > > Sure, how about George Bushs support for the renewal of the > > > assualt > > > > > > > weapon ban last year? > > > > > > > > > > > > Did it pass? > > > > > > > > > > No. And that is no thanks to GW Bush. > > > > > > > > I wouldn't be too certain of that. > > > > > > So we should not trust what GW Bush says? > > > > Bush said he'd sign it if it got to him. He didn't say he'd push it > through > > Congress. What did he do that he said he wouldn't (or not do that he > said > > he would)?? > > > > > > > > > > Given his record for 4 years, I'll bet that if Congress passed a > repeal > > > of > > > > the 1986 law and allowed new machine guns to be registered, he'd > sign > > > it. > > > > In fact, if Congress repealed the NFA, removing the tax on machine > guns, > > > > he'd probably sign it. > > > > > > His record shows me two things... He increases government, and he > > > lies. So I would not count on anything. > > > > His record is that he signs every bill that Congress sends his way. So > if > > Congress were to repeal the NFA, there's no reason to believe he'd do > > anything other than sign it. > > > > As for "he lies", that's a serious charge. Can you back it up? > Remember, > > to demonstrate that someone has lied, you need to show two things: (1) > the > > person said something that was false and (2) the person knew it was > false > > when he/she said it. > > > > Please quote me at least three of Bush's "lies" (with a link to the web > page > > containing the quote--I'm sure that "www.whitehouse.gov" has just about > > every public statement the President has made) and demonstrate that the > > statement was false and that Bush knew it was false when he made it. > > > > And no, joking around with reporters or an audience in an obviously > comedic > > way doesn't count. Even if you don't "get" or appreciate the joke. For > > instance, his comment during the 2000 campaign at the Al Smith dinner > that > > Al Gore had told him the dress code at the event was "jeans and tee > shirt" > > does not count. > > > > > > > > Lowell C. Savage > > It's the freedom, stupid! > > Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Libnw mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > List info and subscriber options: > http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw > > Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw > > > _______________________________________________ > Libnw mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > List info and subscriber options: > http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw > Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw _______________________________________________ Libnw mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info and subscriber options: http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw
