On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:20:49 -0800, Lowell C. Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Two things. > > (1) If you bothered to read what I wrote previously (it is in this message > again) Bush did what he said he would do and did not do anything he said he > would not do wrt the AW ban. That doesn't meet any definition of "lie" that > I am aware of. After 8 years of parsing Clinton, "if it gets to my desk, > I'll sign it" is a model of clear political speech. For any reasonable > person, it doesn't mean "I'll push it through Congress" or "I'll campaign > against politicians who vote against it" or "I'll lean on party members to > get it done." Your ideological enemies at the Brady Campaign, VPC, etc. > were (and are) beside themselves with anger at Bush for "breaking his > promise" because he didn't do all of those things that his statement did not > mean. In fact, a few of them even accuse the President of secretly telling > Congresscritters to make sure the bill didn't reach his desk. Had he done > so, it would not have violated his promise to "sign the bill." And, so far > as I know, he has not denied that he did so. Therefore, it is quite > possible that he actually did lend some small pressure to keep the bill off > his desk.
So you really beleive he would have signed it had it reached his desk? If yes, then i apologize for misinterpretting your comments. > (2) You raised the "Bush lies" as part of a statement about his track > record. Usually that means you are referring to "lies" other than any > involving the topic at hand. His lies have been pretty well documented in the news, but the most important one is often ignored... > So. I ask again. What lies has Bush told? The most important was the first sentance he said while taking office. "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." Travis > > > Lowell C. Savage > It's the freedom, stupid! > Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly. > > Travis Pahl wrote: > > You are implying he is lying when you say we should not be too certain > > that Bush should not be thanked for the bill not being renewed. He > > did nothing to stop if from being renewed and in fact said on record > > that he would sign it. So if he is to be thanked it is because you > > are saying that he really would have vetoed it. > > > > Travis > > > > > > On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:56:04 -0800, Lowell C. Savage > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Travis Pahl wrote, in part: > > > > > > > > Sure, how about George Bushs support for the renewal of the > > > > assualt > > > > > > > > weapon ban last year? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did it pass? > > > > > > > > > > > > No. And that is no thanks to GW Bush. > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't be too certain of that. > > > > > > > > So we should not trust what GW Bush says? > > > > > > Bush said he'd sign it if it got to him. He didn't say he'd push it > > through > > > Congress. What did he do that he said he wouldn't (or not do that he > > said > > > he would)?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given his record for 4 years, I'll bet that if Congress passed a > > repeal > > > > of > > > > > the 1986 law and allowed new machine guns to be registered, he'd > > sign > > > > it. > > > > > In fact, if Congress repealed the NFA, removing the tax on machine > > guns, > > > > > he'd probably sign it. > > > > > > > > His record shows me two things... He increases government, and he > > > > lies. So I would not count on anything. > > > > > > His record is that he signs every bill that Congress sends his way. So > > if > > > Congress were to repeal the NFA, there's no reason to believe he'd do > > > anything other than sign it. > > > > > > As for "he lies", that's a serious charge. Can you back it up? > > Remember, > > > to demonstrate that someone has lied, you need to show two things: (1) > > the > > > person said something that was false and (2) the person knew it was > > false > > > when he/she said it. > > > > > > Please quote me at least three of Bush's "lies" (with a link to the web > > page > > > containing the quote--I'm sure that "www.whitehouse.gov" has just about > > > every public statement the President has made) and demonstrate that the > > > statement was false and that Bush knew it was false when he made it. > > > > > > And no, joking around with reporters or an audience in an obviously > > comedic > > > way doesn't count. Even if you don't "get" or appreciate the joke. For > > > instance, his comment during the 2000 campaign at the Al Smith dinner > > that > > > Al Gore had told him the dress code at the event was "jeans and tee > > shirt" > > > does not count. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lowell C. Savage > > > It's the freedom, stupid! > > > Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Libnw mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > List info and subscriber options: > > http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw > > > Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Libnw mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > List info and subscriber options: > > http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw > > Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Libnw mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > List info and subscriber options: http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw > Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw > _______________________________________________ Libnw mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info and subscriber options: http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw
