On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:59:19 -0800, Lowell C. Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Travis Pahl wrote, in part: > > Most all > > the gun control laws were passed with republican support as well. > > Travis, this is NUTS!!!
No. It is just the facts. tons of gun control legislation was passed either by a republican controlled legislature or signed by a republican executive > A few lousy Rs vote for something and you lump the whole party in with the > majority of Ds to imply that they are the same. It is not a few in many cases. And in fact most all of them will tell you they support all the laws on the books. > Then, you probably wonder > why no one takes anything you say seriously. Nope. I did not wonder that, nor did I even consider that you do not take me seriously. > Here are the links: > How about you look at this one first... http://reformed-theology.org/html/issue11/dont_blame_liberals.htm > AW Ban 1994: > House: Yeas: 46 R, 118 D; Nays: 131 R, 64 D. > http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1994/roll416.xml So over 25% of the republicans supported a horrible gun law. Had they not, it would not have passed. lets not forget the Crime control act of 1990. It bans manufacturing and importing semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S.and creates 'gun free zones' in the US. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1990/roll534.xml House: Yeas: 135 R 178 D, nays: 1 R 0 D Senate: passed unanimously Signed into law by Republican George Bush. > You want something more recent? How about this? Sure, how about George Bushs support for the renewal of the assualt weapon ban last year? Or how about the republican congress's doing absolutely nothing to elliminate any of the laws on the books. > Who publicly pushed for Craig's original bill? President Bush--who came out > and said he wanted a "clean bill" because the AW Ban was going to go nowhere > in the House. Who voted against it? John Kerry, who on March 2, cast his > first votes in the Senate for the year 2004 to vote for the killer > amendments and against the passage of the law. I never claimed the democrats were good on gun control. I tire of them being brought up when there is no dispute about them. The issue is the republicans. Are they good on gun control or not. It is pointless to do a comparison with someone we know is bad. What is important is are they good or not. do they support what we support? That is the question I am interested in. > Nobody's saying that Republicans are "perfectly good" or that Democrats are > "perfectly bad", but the tendency should be pretty obvious. The Republican > party is generally pro-gun with a few dissenters and wafflers and the > Democrat party is generally anti-gun with a few dissenters and wafflers. The point I am making is that it is not so clear cut as you make it out to be. In fact more republicans support most all the gun control we have on the books. If you step back and look at this from a wider perspective, where you see the ideal (one gun law) and the opposite (total gun ban), and plot the democrats and republicans, there is very little difference. Now if you plot it looking only a very small portion of the big picture (for example a range from todays gun legislation minus a few laws and plus a few laws, then you might notice a slight tendency torwards republicans, but still the tendency would be that they fall on the side of more legislation. > > This coming year, the Senate MIGHT have enough votes to pass a clean (or > nearly clean) bill. The House WILL have enough votes to go along and the > President WILL sign it. . I bet they do nothing again, and spend alot of money doing it. Want to place a wager? > There are very few states or Congressional > Districts where voting for a Democrat would have made that outcome more > likely and there is no chance that voting for a Democrat for President would > get this bill anything but vetoed. No. But it is not going to happen anyhow and at least with a democrat, the republicans would try to stop spending. With the republican in the white house, the republican congress feels like they need to spend like there is no tommorow. Travis _______________________________________________ Libnw mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info and subscriber options: http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw
